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townhall.com ^ | 29/08/03 | Oliver North

[vikingcelt]

'No wonder you are so emotional about this topic. I could tell that you were emotional and illogical, but I did not know why. Now I know." Oh really??? I re-read my posts and I was not particularly emotional about this topic and I was not at all illogical about it. You, however, are exhibiting some sort of psychosis about all of this. A bit mixed up aren't you?

[babaloo999]

I think you doth not know the difference between a troll and a lurker

Yes, freedumb. Didn't you really mean to say "troll"? I agree.

[vikingcelt]

"MBA's are a dime a dozen." Well I doubt that you have one. Just exactly what is your problem anyway? Other than ignorance and bigotry.

[vikingcelt]

"If you are not able to deal with reality that is your problem. You can go right on imagining a world in which everyone is born with the identical capacity to learn. And you will go right on being disappointed to see that in the real world people are born with differing capacities."

I don't know that anywhere did I give the impression that I am unable to deal with reality. And I do know that people are born with "differing capacities." I was talking about one individual, my daughter, who happens to be a lot smarter than I am. That's a "differing capacity" right there.

Why don't you go and crawl back under whatever rock you crawled out of?

[vikingcelt]

"I don't know that anywhere did I give the impression that I am unable to deal with reality."

"I don't believe your statistics."

Your "statistics" do not necessarily conform to reality. I'd be interested to know where you actually got these "statistics."

And thanks for letting me know that you are a dime-a-dozen MBA and also a dime-a-dozen bigot.

[freedumb2003]

I think you doth not know the difference between a troll and a lurker

Yes, freedumb. Didn't you really mean to say "troll"? I agree.

I stand corrected. I MEANT Troll. Seen a lot of 'em in the last day or so. Smell bad, too.

[vikingcelt]

Well, I tried to look at your links. One of them doesn't work. The other one really doesn't tell me much.

"The average black IQ is, has been, and will be 85." Well you sure are stuck in a rut aren't you? You write this sentence as though it's written in stone or something. I guess the average black IQ will always and forevermore be 85 no matter what!!! LOL It's actually quite funny the way you write this sentence. Do you realize how ridiculous you sound?

I've known dumb white people, white people of medium intelligence, and highly intelligent white people. I have known dumb black people, black people of medium intelligence, and highly intelligent black people. It's the individual, you see, not some stupid statistic manipulated to cover entire groups of people. You sure are ignorant.

[Tired of Taxes]

I logged in here today to check the responses on this thread. According to my comments list, the poster's #13 and #17 messages were directed to me. But, it appears that the moderator has deleted them. I really would've liked to have had the chance to read and respond to those messages directly.

Do either of you know if there is a way to retrieve the poster's comments somehow? I'm very disappointed that they've been deleted before I was able to read them.

[Alia]

Dear Tired of Taxes, you have obliquely raised an issue not focused upon through the article and posts: a family's priorities.

IQ debate of "races" or not -- I think the issue is what a family nurtures or holds as a primary focus as a directing force. Part of the reason, IMHO, homeschooled students do so well, and regardless of their skin tone? The focus is upon "real time" education. In other families, the focus might be upon, say, shopping, or camping each weekend and visiting theme parks. Those of Asian descent tend to score higher, and from all that I've witnessed, primarily because the parents are very clearly focused upon "education".

OTOH, years back I met a group of homeschooling families who were not especially focused on the "education" aspect as much as they were on the "socializing" aspects. Result? The students weren't especially academically oriented, and while, academically, they were still ahead of peers in pub ed, these students were more into being cool, impressing each other.

Yep, I've read "The Bell Curve" and numerous other race, mixed race studies concerning intelligence. How is it this country has seen poorly (or if at all) educated parents raise geniuses and very gifted children, regardless or race, creed, ethnicity? My own two cents: It has everything to do with where education is prioritized in a family. Others have said this, written about it. I do concur with this. It's not a "race" can do/can't do. It's a cultural issue.

Kudos! on educating your beautiful children!

[mommadooo3]

The reason public school students aren’t faring as well as they should, is because they are being lead by politicians and education bureaucrats who care more about politics and political correctness, than they do about educating America’s youth.

How's that?

[Tired of Taxes]

I think the issue is what a family nurtures or holds as a primary focus as a directing force.

I think you're right, Alia.

That one poster (now banned) did post a link to a "study" that measured the IQs of "black" and "biracial" children adopted into "white middle-class families", but I find it hard to believe the results of that study. Also, I didn't read it completely nor investigate it further.

Also, that banned poster claimed to have homeschooled his/her daughter. I would think that a homeschooler especially would be able to see very clearly how upbringing influences a child every single day. But, no, apparently, he/she believes that certain "races" don't have a chance and are somehow inherently inferior. (Sadly, he/she is not alone out there in that thinking, either). Oh, well. (This is why we have to stop those gov't studies from classifying according to quote-unquote "race"!)

How is it this country has seen poorly (or if at all) educated parents raise geniuses and very gifted children, regardless or race, creed, ethnicity? My own two cents: It has everything to do with where education is prioritized in a family.

A homeschooling mom I know is a perfect example: Divorced, she is still fighting the ex off in court as he has been consistently late with child support payments but also has been fighting to take custody and put the kids in school for years. She has been buying her homeschool supplies at the Dollar Store (which works for me, too!)

A couple months ago, a judge ruled that she had to put the oldest in school. The father had been belittling her for years saying she was not qualified to teach her children, and then the school principal told her that "homeschooling doesn't work" and that "this school has an advanced program but a homeschooler would never qualify" blah blah blah. Guess what? The child tested and qualified for the advanced program.* (Oh, yeah, this child is "biracial" too).

So, yeah, I think you hit the nail right on its head again: Priority must have everything to do with it.

* (I have to remember to share that story on the FR homeschool thread).

[thesharkboy]

Correct. You get a cookie.