The Parable of the Pharisee and the Tax Collector

Also the source for many "magicians" terms.

Hocus Pocus = Hoc est corpus
Abracadabra = composed of the initials of the Hebrew words ‘Ab’ (Father), ‘Ben’ (Son), and Ruach Acadsch (Holy Spirit)

So the monuments to religious law-givers in the SCOTUS building are doing the same?

It's not a single display excluding others, and there are secular ones included as well (like Hammurabi). The SCOTUS has not said their authority derives from God. The SCOTUS has not said that these laws are the supreme law of the land.

How about all those statues to Greek and Roman gods in governmental buildings?

They are placed there as art, and are anyway nearly universally considered as myths. (I've never met a Zeus or Hera worshipper.)

Many people, not just Judge Moore, feel that the removal of the monument is not really about protecting constitutional rights of that whiny little biddy with her panties in a twist.

I agree. It's about making sure a government official does not use his position and facilities to promote a religious view. Those of us who feel that way would be against him if he were Zoroastrian, Buddhist, Unitarian, Jewish or atheist.

Smile.

We could use a little better humor on these threads.

"It is absolutely critical for society that people give due process its opportunity to work - and to then accept the results"

This has to be the most brazen, contemptuous, shut up slave and do what your told post I have ever read.

We gave due process time to work, it failed because of an over reaching dictatorial Supreme Court determined to socially engineer by wiping from the face of the earth, the history, heritage, and culture of the decendents of the American Revolution, and most especially the part that Christianity had to play in it's birth.

The Constitution prohibits the Supreme Court to exert any influence what so ever on religion. Not in the states, not in individual lives, and not in the schools. They are to remain mute on the issue. It is they who are being lawless. If anyone brings us to the brink of anarchy, it is they. It is they that bring us to the point of revolution with their brazen attacks on the fabric of the nation.

So stop telling people to allow themselves to be destroyed quietly lest they be guilty of something. It's like telling the victim to be quiet during his murder lest he disturb the neighbors or alert the police. Blame the guilty.

This document was left in the care of the people, to guard, fight for, defend, and insist that government stay inside it's boundries on the treat of dissolving said government and starting anew.

I think it's time for a vote to dissolve and begin anew with amendments to the constitution that bite those that undermine it and slip their bonds with harsh punishments.

We have no borders, we have no Constitutional protections, the Bill of Rights is violated in ever increasing ways, the congress doesn't function, nor the Senate, passing treaties and laws they have not even read. We have Presidents ruling via EO's, and an out of it's mind Supreme Court distorting the Constitution, tearing and ripping the fabric of society, and we are bound by destructive treaties not in our best interest, our future is hocked to infinity to fulfill the demands of a false duty and compassion to raise the boats of the third world while sinking ours, all the while we watch the unending invasion of illegals over running our schools, welfare, infrastructure, services and resources.

And you say we must accept it? Shame on ya.

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The problem is his using his government position and facilities to make religious statements;

So? Are you saying his speech should be limited by its content.

no other religious statements may be made there, only his.

Nice try but you made that one up. I imagine people made them all the time. Just because you can put the Constitution in a courtoom doesn't mean the Communist Manifesto has to be there.

It is obvious from everything Moore has said that he placed the monument for the explicit purpose of promoting (his version of) Christianity.

Impossible. The Ten also belong to the Jews and Muslims. It's not a Christian belief.

If Moore became a Hare Krishna, and put statues of Hindu gods in the courthouse, would that be okay with you?

Irrelevant. The question is: Should the State use force to remove it? The answer is No.

Moore/Falwell/Dobson/Robertson crowd all along, hasn't it?

Ahhh....a conspiracy. Let me get my tin foil hat.

And while we are about moving offensive things,I think we ought to float the Statue of Liberty right back to France.

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Nice try but you made that one up.

Gee, could it possibly be you haven't read the same articles I have?

As you have just called me a liar, we'll end it right here.

Gee, could it possibly be you haven't read the same articles I have?

If it were true, you would have sourced it when I called you on it.

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Your government officials cannot use their official facilities to promote and advance their faith. Period.

What should we do with/to all these folks then?

Statement by the Deputy Press Secretary
On Wednesday, November 13, 2002, the President signed into law: S. 2690, reaffirmation of "one Nation under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance, and "In God we trust" as the National Motto.

To reaffirm the reference to one Nation under God in the Pledge of Allegiance. (Enrolled as Agreed to or Passed by Both House and Senate)

--S.2690--

S.2690

One Hundred Seventh Congress

of the

United States of America

AT THE SECOND SESSION

Begun and held at the City of Washington on Wednesday,

the twenty-third day of January, two thousand and two

An Act

To reaffirm the reference to one Nation under God in the Pledge of Allegiance.

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. FINDINGS.

Congress finds the following:

(1) On November 11, 1620, prior to embarking for the shores of America, the Pilgrims signed the Mayflower Compact that declared: `Having undertaken, for the Glory of God and the advancement of the Christian Faith and honor of our King and country, a voyage to plant the first colony in the northern parts of Virginia,'.

(2) On July 4, 1776, America's Founding Fathers, after appealing to the `Laws of Nature, and of Nature's God' to justify their separation from Great Britain, then declared: `We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness'.

(3) In 1781, Thomas Jefferson, the author of the Declaration of Independence and later the Nation's third President, in his work titled `Notes on the State of Virginia' wrote: `God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are of the Gift of God. That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that his justice cannot sleep forever.'.

(4) On May 14, 1787, George Washington, as President of the Constitutional Convention, rose to admonish and exhort the delegates and declared: `If to please the people we offer what we ourselves disapprove, how can we afterward defend our work? Let us raise a standard to which the wise and the honest can repair; the event is in the hand of God!'.

(5) On July 21, 1789, on the same day that it approved the Establishment Clause concerning religion, the First Congress of the United States also passed the Northwest Ordinance, providing for a territorial government for lands northwest of the Ohio River, which declared: `Religion, morality, and knowledge, being necessary to good government and the happiness of mankind, schools and the means of education shall forever be encouraged.'.

(6) On September 25, 1789, the First Congress unanimously approved a resolution calling on President George Washington to proclaim a National Day of Thanksgiving for the people of the United States by declaring, `a day of public thanksgiving and prayer, to be observed by acknowledging, with grateful hearts, the many signal favors of Almighty God, especially by affording them an opportunity peaceably to establish a constitution of government for their safety and happiness.'.

(7) On November 19, 1863, President Abraham Lincoln delivered his Gettysburg Address on the site of the battle and declared: `It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us--that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion--that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain--that this Nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom--and that Government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.'.

(8) On April 28, 1952, in the decision of the Supreme Court of the United States in Zorach v. Clauson, 343 U.S. 306 (1952), in which school children were allowed to be excused from public schools for religious observances and education, Justice William O. Douglas, in writing for the Court stated: `The First Amendment, however, does not say that in every and all respects there shall be a separation of Church and State. Rather, it studiously defines the manner, the specific ways, in which there shall be no concern or union or dependency one on the other. That is the common sense of the matter. Otherwise the State and religion would be aliens to each other--hostile, suspicious, and even unfriendly. Churches could not be required to pay even property taxes. Municipalities would not be permitted to render police or fire protection to religious groups. Policemen who helped parishioners into their places of worship would violate the Constitution. Prayers in our legislative halls; the appeals to the Almighty in the messages of the Chief Executive; the proclamations making Thanksgiving Day a holiday; `so help me God' in our courtroom oaths--these and all other references to the Almighty that run through our laws, our public rituals, our ceremonies would be flouting the First Amendment. A fastidious atheist or agnostic could even object to the supplication with which the Court opens each session: `God save the United States and this Honorable Court.'.

(9) On June 15, 1954, Congress passed and President Eisenhower signed into law a statute that was clearly consistent with the text and intent of the Constitution of the United States, that amended the Pledge of Allegiance to read: `I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.'.

(10) On July 20, 1956, Congress proclaimed that the national motto of the United States is `In God We Trust', and that motto is inscribed above the main door of the Senate, behind the Chair of the Speaker of the House of Representatives, and on the currency of the United States.

(11) On June 17, 1963, in the decision of the Supreme Court of the United States in Abington School District v. Schempp, 374 U.S. 203 (1963), in which compulsory school prayer was held unconstitutional, Justices Goldberg and Harlan, concurring in the decision, stated: `But untutored devotion to the concept of neutrality can lead to invocation or approval of results which partake not simply of that noninterference and noninvolvement with the religious which the Constitution commands, but of a brooding and pervasive devotion to the secular and a passive, or even active, hostility to the religious. Such results are not only not compelled by the Constitution, but, it seems to me, are prohibited by it. Neither government nor this Court can or should ignore the significance of the fact that a vast portion of our people believe in and worship God and that many of our legal, political, and personal values derive historically from religious teachings. Government must inevitably take cognizance of the existence of religion and, indeed, under certain circumstances the First Amendment may require that it do so.'.

(12) On March 5, 1984, in the decision of the Supreme Court of the United States in Lynch v. Donelly, 465 U.S. 668 (1984), in which a city government's display of a nativity scene was held to be constitutional, Chief Justice Burger, writing for the Court, stated: `There is an unbroken history of official acknowledgment by all three branches of government of the role of religion in American life from at least 1789 . . . [E]xamples of reference to our religious heritage are found in the statutorily prescribed national motto `In God We Trust' (36 U.S.C. 186), which Congress and the President mandated for our currency, see (31 U.S.C. 5112(d)(1) (1982 ed.)), and in the language `One Nation under God', as part of the Pledge of Allegiance to the American flag. That pledge is recited by many thousands of public school children--and adults--every year . . . Art galleries supported by public revenues display religious paintings of the 15th and 16th centuries, predominantly inspired by one religious faith. The National Gallery in Washington, maintained with Government support, for example, has long exhibited masterpieces with religious messages, notably the Last Supper, and paintings depicting the Birth of Christ, the Crucifixion, and the Resurrection, among many others with explicit Christian themes and messages. The very chamber in which oral arguments on this case were heard is decorated with a notable and permanent--not seasonal--symbol of religion: Moses with the Ten Commandments. Congress has long provided chapels in the Capitol for religious worship and meditation.'.

(13) On June 4, 1985, in the decision of the Supreme Court of the United States in Wallace v. Jaffree, 472 U.S. 38 (1985), in which a mandatory moment of silence to be used for meditation or voluntary prayer was held unconstitutional, Justice O'Connor, concurring in the judgment and addressing the contention that the Court's holding would render the Pledge of Allegiance unconstitutional because Congress amended it in 1954 to add the words `under God,' stated `In my view, the words `under God' in the Pledge, as codified at (36 U.S.C. 172), serve as an acknowledgment of religion with `the legitimate secular purposes of solemnizing public occasions, [and] expressing confidence in the future.'.

(14) On November 20, 1992, the United States Court of Appeals for the 7th Circuit, in Sherman v. Community Consolidated School District 21, 980 F.2d 437 (7th Cir. 1992), held that a school district's policy for voluntary recitation of the Pledge of Allegiance including the words `under God' was constitutional.

(15) The 9th Circuit Court of Appeals erroneously held, in Newdow v. U.S. Congress (9th Cir. June 26, 2002), that the Pledge of Allegiance's use of the express religious reference `under God' violates the First Amendment to the Constitution, and that, therefore, a school district's policy and practice of teacher-led voluntary recitations of the Pledge of Allegiance is unconstitutional.

(16) The erroneous rationale of the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals in Newdow would lead to the absurd result that the Constitution's use of the express religious reference `Year of our Lord' in Article VII violates the First Amendment to the Constitution, and that, therefore, a school district's policy and practice of teacher-led voluntary recitations of the Constitution itself would be unconstitutional.

SEC. 2. ONE NATION UNDER GOD.

(a) REAFFIRMATION- Section 4 of title 4, United States Code, is amended to read as follows:

`Sec. 4. Pledge of allegiance to the flag; manner of delivery

`The Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag: `I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.', should be rendered by standing at attention facing the flag with the right hand over the heart. When not in uniform men should remove any non-religious headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart. Persons in uniform should remain silent, face the flag, and render the military salute.'.

(b) CODIFICATION- In codifying this subsection, the Office of the Law Revision Counsel shall show in the historical and statutory notes that the 107th Congress reaffirmed the exact language that has appeared in the Pledge for decades.

SEC. 3. REAFFIRMING THAT GOD REMAINS IN OUR MOTTO.

(a) REAFFIRMATION- Section 302 of title 36, United States Code, is amended to read as follows:

`Sec. 302. National motto

`In God we trust' is the national motto.'.

(b) CODIFICATION- In codifying this subsection, the Office of the Law Revision Counsel shall make no change in section 302, title 36, United States Code, but shall show in the historical and statutory notes that the 107th Congress reaffirmed the exact language that has appeared in the Motto for decades.

Speaker of the House of Representatives.

Vice President of the United States and

President of the Senate.

House roll call vote
Senate roll call vote

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Much of the material fits what you've been saying.

The Ten Commandments represent basic truths upon which our society was founded.

Huh?