Dr. James Dobson: "We're Not Going To The Back of The Bus"

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[troublesome creek]

I've also noticed the tendency of posters like this to post, cause a messy splatter and then fly away into anonymity...kind of like a pigeon might do it.

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O'BRIEN: A new poll from CNN and USA Today, and Gallup as well, 77 percent, in a nutshell, are against the federal court order to remove the monument. Do you feel that this is a strong vote from the American public, and that might actually pressure the Supreme Court into hearing your case?

TITUS: Well, the American people understand what the Constitution means better than federal judges do. Federal judges are so wrapped up in precedent that they have forgotten what the plain words of the Constitution are. The people of the United States understand that the First Amendment does not prohibit putting up a monument in a building, putting up a picture. They understand that that's not a law within the meaning of the First Amendment.

So, what you have here is common sense. Ordinary people understand that this is contrary to the Constitution, this ruling by the federal court. And I would hope that the judges on the Supreme Court would adopt that common-sense view. Justice's attorney: Commandments fight not over

[cwb]

"but just not a govt building where some people are compelled to come in hoping for equal treatment regardless of religious affiliations."

Yeah...those secular and atheist governments are so much more tolerant to the rights and freedoms of others. I'm not even a religious person, but I do know that where there is no God, Man makes the laws...and they are often contrary to the good of all, regardless of religious affiliation. As someone asked yesterday, "where would you rather be Tried: In a God-less Soviet Union or a God-fearing United States?"

[tame]

I hope you are only ignorant (which is curable) and not stupid (which is terminal), as well.

[My2Cents]

I'm not a big Dobson fan, but I sympathsize with his comments here. The First Amendment is suppose to guarantee freedom of religion, but the ones who hold the advantage in our society today are the Seculofascists who are bent on eliminating all references to religion in our culture, particulary the Christian religion. They oppose the presence of a monument to the Ten Commandments in the entrance to a courthouse, and push their will through to have it eliminated, and yet who does that monument hurt? No one. They simply oppose it out of spite.

[Gritty]

Skepticat

Since Aug 28, 2003

You wouldn't be a troll, would you?

[Happy2BMe]

"Dobson and his Focus on the Family decry social ills and immorality, yet support the death penalty."

The Law is given to protect innocent people from criminals (such as murderers and thieves).

The Law also reads: "An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth."

That is explicitly meaning that if you kill someone, under the law the punishment is equal to the crime - DEATH.

James Dobson didn't write that, nor is he the author of it.

Try again.

[troublesome creek]

What a uninformed screed that was!

[Zavien Doombringer]

I suppose those 10 commandments couldn't apply to any human being

[My2Cents]

but just not a govt building where some people are compelled to come in hoping for equal treatment regardless of religious affiliations.

What religion, exactly, did this monument endorse? Baptist? Catholic? Lutheran? Methodist? And anyone who holds to a religion at variance with the Ten Commandments, probably is in court on criminal charges, and they're probably guilty to boot.

[Ginosko]

Such hostility toward Dr. Dobson and Christianity in general seems quite unwarranted. The nation's laws were founded upon the principles reflected in those commandments and the U.S. Constitution itself presupposes an acceptance of Judeo-Christian morality.

[conserv13]

The ten commandments are not Christian. They are Hebrew.

#1 says I am God who brought you out of the slavery in Egypt.

[truthingod]

I believe the only reason someone might enter a court and find those ten commandments to be offensive is if I was on the wrong side of them in the first place which might be the very reason I am in the courthouse. They certainly help to define who it is we should deal with fairly in the court of law. Heaven forbid that we should lose sight of those who violate the law.

[Damocles]

... irritated some people who were compelled by circumstance to come to the courthouse.

Can't have people being irritated now can we? That little thing called the Declaration Of Independence must be quite the irritant as well:

...the separate and equal Station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them.

Oh, yeah the prayer before Congressional business is conducted, the calling of ""God save the United States and this Honorable Court" before the Supreme Court session opens must really hack you off as well.

Yeah, those pesky moralists can be quite irritating.

It's a moral battle between those who wish to force their moral view (atheist, relativists) down the throats of those who appreciate the culture and history this great nation was founded on.

Your moral viewpoint and mine are incompatible, and I hope that those who have capitualted to your view have finally had enough. I hope that some will enter this fray to fight for what they believe as your side has for the past few decades.

If not it will be the death of the greatest experiment ever to populate the earth as we slouch back towards our European bretherns view of the world.

[Happy2BMe]

DonQ is nowhere near being a silent or lone voice when it comes to removing God from America:

When will Moore's monument be moved? (Who will replace Judge Moore?)

Stealth Move Against the Chief Justice (10 Commandments)

Supporters Intend to Resist Removal of Ten Commandments

The Beginning of Woes for Judge Roy Moore - What Started It All - The Ten Commandments Monument

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[DeweyCA]

Please know your facts before you make statements which make you look like a fool. The correct rendition of that commandment is "Thou shall not murder", NOT "Thou shall not kill". There is a difference. One is an established state entity killing people who are guilty of murder. The other is when a person murders an innocent person. Since you apparently do not know the Bible, you may want to refrain from speaking authoritatively on it in the future.

[montag813]

Such a modest stone given what this man did. It is hilarious to hear David Hackworth touted as the "most decorated soldier" ever, when he couldn't shine Audie Murphy's shoes.

[HitmanLV]

I would suggest that he read the Commandments and pay close attention to the one that reads "Thou Shall not kill." Dobson and his Focus on the Family decry social ills and immorality, yet support the death penalty. Is this not murder? Every major religion in the Western World apply Christ's teachings and oppose the death penalty.

You use 'kill(ing)' and 'murder' interchangably in your post, which leads you to the wrong conclusions.

Actually, the best translation of the commandment is not 'Thou shall Not Kill,' but rather, 'Though shall not murder.' Murder is a legal word, but kill/killing is not. All murders are killings, but not all killings are murders. Hebrew law distingusined between the two, as does the law of the land in the USA and worldwide.

Killing someone in self defense is not murder, in the USA or in other western nations. It's unclear why you would use the words interchangably and think it would be.

Indeed, the OT (the source of the 10 commandments in the Judeo-Christian tradition) endorses the Death Penalty for some crimes and as best as I know, Christ never suggested otherwise. The death penalty was a fact of life for teh ancient romans, in hebrew law, and indeed, in most of the world until relatively recently.

The death penalty is not legally murder, and has never been. It is certainly a killing, but not murder.

The 10 Commandments do not stand as any kind of bar for a society to sanction the penalty of death of a certain class of crime. Why would you think otherwise?

[Theo]

Correct. You understand that my comments were about Dobson, a Christian leader, right?

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