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The Truth About What's Happening In Iraq
boblonsberry.com ^ | 8/28/03 | Bob Lonsberry

Posted on 08/28/2003 6:23:09 AM PDT by shortstop

The war in Iraq isn’t being lost in Baghdad. It’s being lost in America.

In Iraq, it’s going quite well. In America, we’re too stupid to realize that.

So let me explain.

These idiots on the news who count each fatality from the announced end of major fighting are doing more to hurt the cause than all the suicide bombers in Baghdad. One uses explosives and the other uses lies.

The kind of lies that are told by diversion and distortion.

The simple fact is that of course we have sustained more casualties since the actual battle stopped. On the battlefield, they were on our turf. In Baghdad, we are on their turf.

We are a conventional military. Lots of tanks and troops and nobody can stand up to us. Rolling over the Iraqi military, we were in our element.

But in the chicken-crap terrorist world of shoot and run, the jihad boys are in their element.

When we were in a position of advantage our casualties were lower than they are when we are in a position of disadvantage.

So, naturally, we continue to take casualties.

Does that mean we’re losing?

Only if you need a blow dryer and a TelePrompTer to do your job.

I would point out that during the conquest of Iraq, we took over a nation, advanced hundreds of miles into enemy territory, toppled a military numbering in the hundreds of thousands, overthrew a government, took control of a good chunk of the world’s oil supply and put vast amounts of our power on the ground in somebody else’s country.

On the other hand, in their guerilla war, the jihad boys have accomplished not a freaking thing.

We still own the nation, we still own the oil, we’re still in charge, they’re still out of power, we still operate freely a long way from home.

They’re like a dog chasing a car. Lots of noise, plenty of bravado, not a damn bit of difference.

So the daily television score of who died when means nothing, except as a needless insult to the families of brave Americans 100 times more noble than the pretty boys on TV.

Here’s another lie: There is no link between Iraq and terrorism.

In fact, the war with Iraq is one of our most important tools in protecting America from terrorists.

Here’s how: Before we went into Iraq, the target of international Muslim terrorism was American civilians in the United States. Since we went into Iraq, the target of international Muslim terrorism has been American servicemen in Iraq.

Good.

More than good. Wonderful.

Thousands of these jihad boys, all coked up on their gutter religion, have streamed into Iraq to be martyrs against the infidels.

Good. The more the merrier.

On September 11 they attacked us where we were weak. Now we’ve tricked them into attacking us where we are strong.

The idiots.

Think about it. Their objective was to attack women and children, businesspeople and flight attendants, in our homeland.

So we changed the venue.

We started breaking the furniture in their neighborhood.

Now all the little Osamas are sneaking into Iraq to take on G.I. Joe.

You pick: Do you want them attacking unarmed citizens in America, or trained and equipped soldiers in Iraq?

Personally, I like our odds now a lot better.

Personally, I think it’s worthwhile and successful. In every battle there are casualties, even in a battle like this. That is to be accepted and understood.

Two facts that escape the self-appointed gods of the media.

Many have died and more will do the same. But each will have sacrificed to directly protect the United States of America and its people. There is a direct link between Iraq and terrorism against America.

The link: As long as we tie the savages up in Iraq, they won’t be coming after our families back home.

Score that a win.

And anybody who says different doesn’t know his head from a hole in the ground.


TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events; War on Terror
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To: pgyanke
Just keep saying I am a kook long enough till you beat down that love of liberty streak you may have once had.

The bar you set for determining competencey in government is strikingly low so I see where you are coming from.

Props to you, you are far more cynical about the federalis than I could ever be!



See my tagline.

101 posted on 08/28/2003 9:17:25 AM PDT by JohnGalt (Vichycons-- Supporting Endless War Abroad; Appeasing the Welfare State at Home, Since 2001)
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To: JohnGalt
You are just looking for an argument or you are very stupid. Either way, our conversation is at an end today. May God bless you.
102 posted on 08/28/2003 9:18:38 AM PDT by pgyanke (Christianity, if false, is unimportant and, if true, of infinite importance. - C.S. Lewis)
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To: JohnGalt; Poohbah
To be quite blunt, the Vietnam War was lost here, NOT on the battlefields. We won it there - pounded the VC and NVA. Problem was, folks like YOU were not willing to see things through. As a result, we left the job undone, and we saw what happened as a result.
103 posted on 08/28/2003 9:20:38 AM PDT by hchutch (The National League needs to adopt the designated hitter rule.)
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To: w_over_w
Excellent quote, w_over_w.

Some things seem to never change.
104 posted on 08/28/2003 9:20:43 AM PDT by SAMWolf (I'm So miserable Without You, It's Like Having You Here)
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To: JohnGalt
>>You seem awfully willing to put someone else's kid in harms way in an effort to abdicate your responsibility to protect your liberties and the liberties of your child. <<

I have a very well trained niece, who is like a second mother to my younger daughter and is the one I quote.
Those "kids" know what they are doing and are very prepared to fight to the death to protect my children, who cannot protect themselves.
You however would rather be judgemental. Come to my daughter's school and talk to the parents who are from Selfridge AFB. You will see that mother missing father, father missing mother or child, all are proud of those willing to defend your freedom to not support their mission.

105 posted on 08/28/2003 9:21:19 AM PDT by netmilsmom (God Bless our President, those with him & our troops)
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To: hchutch
I wasn't born yet, but I realize in your world, it all makes perfect sense.


Where can I get that stuff you have been smoking?
106 posted on 08/28/2003 9:23:54 AM PDT by JohnGalt (Vichycons-- Supporting Endless War Abroad; Appeasing the Welfare State at Home, Since 2001)
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To: Travis McGee
You got it! I'm all for soldiers taking on the terrorists rather than the terrorists taking on unarmed civilians.

I'm having a current "debate" with Freeper Austin Willard Wright about the number of US and allied soldiers who died in post-war Germany. The Library of Congress is currently researching my request but knowing the bureauracracy, it will take months to get an answer.

After watching a recent History Channel show devoted to the topic of how Hitler supporters killed our soldiers post-war, I have made the analogy that it's a good thing people like Austin Willard Wright wasn't around at that time because we would have pulled out of Europe post haste. We then would not have the allies we have there now (such as they are) because Stalin would have moved in and forever changed the landscape there.

107 posted on 08/28/2003 9:24:02 AM PDT by Peach (The Clintons have pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: Peach
IIRC, the last murder attributed to a resistance effort was in 1949--after that, it was all the usual "he owed me money" or "he hit on my Fraulein" stuff.
108 posted on 08/28/2003 9:26:14 AM PDT by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women.)
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To: JohnGalt
Not smoking anything.

I'd ask you that question, but I don't smoke.
109 posted on 08/28/2003 9:26:54 AM PDT by hchutch (The National League needs to adopt the designated hitter rule.)
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To: netmilsmom
I got a buddy I played 7 years of football, high school and college, on the front line. I hope he comes home safe, maybe in time for a beer in the parking lot prior to the Thanksgiving Day game.

Their mission was not to be targets for terrorists.

It is you that does not support the mission.
110 posted on 08/28/2003 9:26:58 AM PDT by JohnGalt (For Democracy, any man would give his only begotten son.)
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To: Poohbah
That's good information but unfortunately Austin Willard Wright is absolutely fixated on knowing the exact number. I've researched and can't find it anywhere; hopefully the Library of Congress will have it.
111 posted on 08/28/2003 9:27:20 AM PDT by Peach (The Clintons have pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: Peach
Additionally, in post war Germany, Hitler supporters were killing our soldiers in numbers that are hard to pin down, but it went on for years.

More like two years (at most) I think, and the intensity of the resistance started to die off pretty quickly after Germany's surrender. Still, in general you are correct. I posted a thread about it:

Minutemen of the Third Reich ("Werewolf" guerilla movement - postwar sabotage & terror not new)  ^
      Posted by Stultis
On 07/04/2003 3:47 AM CDT with 26 comments


History Today (via FindArticles.com) ^ | October 2000 | Perry Biddiscombe
History TodayOct, 2000Minutemen of the Third Reich.(history of the Nazi Werewolf guerilla movement) Author/s: Perry Biddiscombe AS WORRIES INCREASE about neo-Nazi and skinhead violence in Germany, it is worth remembering that this type of terrorism is a nasty constant in the history of the German radical-right. A case in point is the Nazi Werewolf guerrilla movement founded by Heinrich Himmler in 1044, which fought the occupying forces of Britain, America and Russia until at least 1047.The Werewolves were originally organised by the SS and the Hitler Youth as a diversionary operation on the fringes of the Third Reich, which...

112 posted on 08/28/2003 9:29:23 AM PDT by Stultis
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To: shortstop
Their objective was to attack women and children, businesspeople and flight attendants, in our homeland

Thank God there is still some analysis in media beyond the normal sensationalism, democratic party socialism and sexz.

113 posted on 08/28/2003 9:33:25 AM PDT by alrea
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To: Poohbah
I posted those article to Austin Willard Wright; to no avail. In fact, he argued on those threads that it was a meaningless analogy without knowing HOW many soldiers died in post-war Germany.

It's his way of directing the argument without conceeding the analogy is a good one.
114 posted on 08/28/2003 9:37:51 AM PDT by Peach (The Clintons have pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: JohnGalt
Sorry John, but according to every military person I have spoken to (I am an active member of our PTC in a school filled with military families), their mission is whatever their Commander in Chief tells them. And they love him.

I pray for your friend. I think you need to talk to him a while.
115 posted on 08/28/2003 9:41:43 AM PDT by netmilsmom (God Bless our President, those with him & our troops)
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To: Travis McGee; JohnGalt; pgyanke; Poohbah; All
This thread reminds me of a poem I read once. It goes like this:>

O say, can you see, by the dawn's early light,
What so proudly we hail'd at the twilight's last gleaming?
Whose broad stripes and bright stars, thro' the perilous fight,
O'er the ramparts we watch'd, were so gallantly streaming?
And the rockets' red glare, the bombs bursting in air,
Gave proof thro' the night that our flag was still there.
O say, does that star-spangled banner yet wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave?

On the shore dimly seen thro' the mists of the deep,
Where the foe's haughty host in dread silence reposes,
What is that which the breeze, o'er the towering steep,
As it fitfully blows, half conceals, half discloses?
Now it catches the gleam of the morning's first beam,
In full glory reflected, now shines on the stream:
'Tis the star-spangled banner: O, long may it wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

And where is that band who so vauntingly swore
That the havoc of war and the battle's confusion,
A home and a country should leave us no more?
Their blood has wash'd out their foul footsteps' pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave:
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave.

O thus be it ever when free-men shall stand
Between their lov'd home and the war's desolation;
Blest with vict'ry and peace, may the heav'n-rescued land
Praise the Pow'r that hath made and preserv'd us a nation!
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: “In God is our trust!”
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

I draw your attention to the fourth verse, of which most have never heard. That "war's desolation" can be awfully damned desolate, as any who've seen it can attest. Two years ago, a rat-pack of islamic murderers brought a small sample of that desolation to New York, Virginia, and Pennsylvania. Most Americans didn't much care for the experience. Since then our military establishment and intelligence community have, properly, been tasked with tracking down and destroying the supporters and brethren-in-crime of that rat-pack. It is appropriate that "war's desolation" be brought back to those who visited it upon us. It is good that islamic murderers be forced to deal with American Soldiers in their own lands rather than being free to attack Americans in America. And it is the vocation of the soldier to "stand Between [his]lov'd home and the war's desolation". He is the first line of defense; the armed civilian is the last.

Some people just don't seem to get it...

116 posted on 08/28/2003 9:43:50 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard
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To: Coop
Your input is needed buddy.
117 posted on 08/28/2003 9:47:27 AM PDT by w_over_w (Only those who risk going too far will ever know how far they can go.)
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To: ArrogantBustard
Very well said.
118 posted on 08/28/2003 9:47:58 AM PDT by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women.)
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To: hchutch; w_over_w
To be quite blunt, the Vietnam War was lost here, NOT on the battlefields.

In large part, thanks to the media. Back then we had ABC, CBS and NBC to "tell us what was happening" - no FoxNews - no Internet, etc.

"Do not fear the enemy, for your enemy can only take your life. It is far better that you fear the media, for they will steal your HONOR. That awful power, the public opinion of a nation, is created in America by a horde of ignorant, self-complacent simpletons who failed at ditching and shoemaking and fetched up in journalism on their way to the poorhouse."

Thank you, Mr. Twain!

119 posted on 08/28/2003 9:52:26 AM PDT by auboy
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To: JohnGalt
A well armed citizenry and a decentralized government, you know traditional conservativism.

Which will do next to nothing to protect against most terrorist attacks. You're sitting there in the restaurant, packing two or three handguns, a stun gun, and a shotgun with extra shells. Then a taxi loaded with C4 plows through the front window and detonates. That's some very dead well armed citizenry.

120 posted on 08/28/2003 9:55:04 AM PDT by Coop (God bless our troops!)
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