Freepers call to action re. Terri Schindler-Schiavo. Make a complaint against Judge Greer:

Various ^ | August 28, 2003

[sfRummygirl]

I'm having a little trouble with the forgiveness, too. I think the key is that the forgiveness ISN'T tolerance.

[kimmie7]

I just meant people new to this thread. Ya'll are family now -- and so will anyone else who comes on! ;-)

[MarMema]

I should add that really, Greece is a Christian state, following in the footsteps of Russia and Byzantium.

The clergy are paid by the state, and the church calls a lot of the shots.

Nationalism is a tremendous sin and one that church-states fall prey to easily. Greece and Russia have not been perfect in that regard.

Otoh, they are Orthodox states and thus hold the values of Orthodox Christianity to be critical. Orthodox Christianity was prolife before the term was coined. We have a deeply, *strongly* - held belief in the idea of every person being created in His image, and many believe us to be semi-pelagian because of this, a criticism I can very well understand.

Like every church, we have our weaknesses but being merciful to others is a very strong tenet of our doctrine. Once a month in our parish, we collect 1-2 thousand dollars at church for some food bank, prolife group, or even a family in need. I just delivered $1600 to a friend at work for her daughter-in-law whose husband was killed. (Collected at church in one afternoon after service.)
Thus the disabled tend to fare very well in traditionally Orthodox countries, though I freely admit missionaries of other faiths often do not.

But I am looking for a place for my children to grow up and be safe. So I have to set a priority. There is a good chance that we would face discrimination there as Americans ( not Greek), but in contrast to the discrimination here of the disabled, I don't see a need to ponder it much.

[sfRummygirl]

Thank you for that quote. I learned something today.

[freeparoundtheclock]

Look at the title though. It needs to be updated with URGENT and not aimed at Judge Greer. It's still a CALL TO ACTION but it's called PART 2.

IF WE DON'T FOCUS ON PUBLIC AWARENESS instead of "complain about Judge Greer", it's not going to get us any further.

Do you like the title: CALL TO ACTION PART 2: PUBLIC AWARENESS FOR TERRI SCHINDLER-SCHIAVO URGENT (that title would work better at this time).

Is our objective at this time to complain about Judge Greer or to improve public awareness?

[MarMema]

And actually, ha, ha, only two of us are Americans. My husband is Canadian, two daughters are Russian and one son is Georgian.

They freak when we try to cross the border and hand them passports from 4 different countries. :-)

[freeparoundtheclock]

see 5065. Time to change the mission a little and mark it urgent.

[kimmie7]

One of my all-time heroes is Corrie ten Boom. She and her family hid Jews during WWII and were a part of the Dutch underground. Her story is told in "The Hiding Place" and I fully recommend it and any other book by Tante Corrie (Tante means Aunt...and it's fun to say!) After speaking in a church one day, she looked up to see a former Nazi officer who had been one of the guards at one of the concentration camps she had been in, Ravensbruuk, I believe. He was holding his hand out to hers. She recognized him...she didn't want to shake his hand and prayed very quickly. God gave her the strength to shake the hand of her former captor. She had this to say about forgiveness....

Forgiveness is an act of the will, and the will can function regardless of the temperature of the heart. Corrie Ten Boom (1892 - 1983)

[freeparoundtheclock]

See 5065. I'm for a Part 2 and reasons why.

[Ethan_Allen]

Tomorrow's Sunday, church-day for a lot of folks. Have you taken this up with the pastors? Churches should be holding Terri up for prayer. If each of us brought it to the attention of our individual churches, maybe each pastor could mass email affilitated churches and even seminaries. What's going on is nothing less than demonic. Jesus said '...this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting.'!! (Please read: http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Mat/Mat017.html#21 ). This calls for spiritual warfare. It is time to call on ALL Christians, because, this attack is ultimately going to be directed at them, since they are the ones least likely to go along with this and the other nefarious plans of the NWO:

Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.


I've been in an out of this thread, but it's not because I don't care. The past couple of months, every time I post something to tear down strongholds, the devil throws something new in my path to slow me down. Isabel was only the latest. (We were incredibly blessed there. God had to have put a shield of protection around us. So many others were not so fortunate.)

I think a lot of Christians are still asleep, and most have probably never heard of this case. It is the duty of the watchmen to sound the alarm. Make the preachers aware. If the churches won't stand up against this, we shouldn't be funding them with our dollars. There are other ways to spread the gospel (which is the only hope for this world), than by pumping monies into dead churches.

Is there an informative flyer we could print and pass out to neighbors and elsewhere? When the media is complicit with the powers-to-be, we have to be the mouthpieces and messengers. We'll have to be the mouthpieces more and more, on this and other issues, and should expect to be challenged on this as well.

MarMema, that's an incredible church you belong to. And THAT is exactly the kind of fasting God was talking about:


(in part...)
Isa 58:6 [Is] not this the fast that I have chosen? to loose the bands of wickedness, to undo the heavy burdens, and to let the oppressed go free, and that ye break every yoke?

Isa 58:7 [Is it] not to deal thy bread to the hungry, and that thou bring the poor that are cast out to thy house? when thou seest the naked, that thou cover him; and that thou hide not thyself from thine own flesh?

Isa 58:8 Then shall thy light break forth as the morning, and thine health shall spring forth speedily: and thy righteousness shall go before thee; the glory of the LORD shall be thy rereward.

Isa 58:9 Then shalt thou call, and the LORD shall answer; thou shalt cry, and he shall say, Here I [am]. If thou take away from the midst of thee the yoke, the putting forth of the finger, and speaking vanity;
(the rest here: http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Isa/Isa058.html#6 ). Some would call it 'appeasing the gods', but it is really being pleasing to God, and worthy of his favor.

[kimmie7]

There is a flyer on www.terrisfight.org I also have one I have put together that is simple, and would go well with the one on Terri's site. It's a .pdf and I'll e-mail it to anyone who wants it.

[kimmie7]

A lovely and accurate post, BTW.

[Ethan_Allen]

If you would be so kind as to email me with your flyer, I would appreciate it. Thanks!

[kimmie7]

Sure. FReepmail me your e-mail address, please. BTW, the word that keeps coming up here....choice. From VES's website (Voluntary Euthanasia Society - UK) We want to make back-street suicides and 'mercy killings' a thing of the past. Sound familiar?? It should. It's the banner under which the immoral, murderous abomination of abortion was ridden into the US. It's the same people. And some in the '60s said Roe would never happen. Well, it did. And this will too, without a tremendous amount of public outcry.

[kimmie7]

Have you seen this? The link is below the text.

Those who have signed the misnamed "Living Will" have already chosen death, however, unknowingly. "The Will," as the Washington Post's B.D. Colen (no closet pro-lifer) writes, "would authorize the murder of virtually anyone who filled out a Will, lost consciousness for a period of time, and would in some way be incapacitated upon regaining consciousness."

In The National Law Journal, attorney Seymour Levine observes, "The living will is a written instrument by which an individual declares in advance what his wishes are regarding medical treatment if he is not capable of speaking for himself." "To reinforce the lesson that patients' wishes are to be heeded, many have signed living wills," Bowen Hosford, another lawyer, notes in Making Your Medical Decisions.

"Choice" is the banner of the euthanasia movement, as it is of others seeking to kill the unwanted and the inconvenient. But is it a flag whose colors are false?

Despite her clearly expressed but unwritten desire for treatment, Mrs. Wanglie is a prime euthanasia target and her danger of dying from medical murder is anything but abstract.

Mrs. Wanglie entered a coma while in a Minnesota hospital last May when medical staff failed to resuscitate her in time to prevent it. The following month the Hennepin County Medical Center began its campaign to pull the plug on the life of this 87 year-old daughter of a Lutheran minister, who believes, as does CURE, that "Only He Who gave life has the right to take it." It is time to say that even doctors who think they're God are not.

I regret Mrs. Wanglie did not have the opportunity to sign a Life Support Directive (as thousands have done). When a media that spends hours of airtime and pages of print to promote the "living will" will not spare a minute or a word reporting on its opposite, the Life Support Directive, it is not surprising. And when hospitals encourage staff to witness "living wills" but forbid them to witness the Life Support Directives the question of choice or con gains further urgency.

I've sat in courtrooms where the lives of those living in coma (as my Dad did from February, 1981 through September, 1990) were tossed on the human garbage heap on the hear-say "evidence" of casual acquaintances based on off-hand remarks that would have been judged ludicrous had something more valuable than human life, say property, been at stake.

But Helga's husband, Oliver, a retired attorney experienced in testimony, recounts that his wife of more than half a century expressly told him, "If anything happens to me, I want everything done."

Yet despite the clear evidence of Mrs. Wanglie and the consistent objections of Mr. Wanglie and of the couple's adult children, David and Ruth, doctors at Hennepin County Medical Center remain determined to continue their efforts to bring about her death. So much for "choice." So much for "patients' rights."

http://cureltd.home.netcom.com/choose.htm

Thought that if you haven't, you'd like to.

[yesnettv]

Why is there no public outcry kimmie?
I have alerted many media who have said they have been overruled about talking about it.
Why is that?
What can we do in spite of that?
Fay

[Ethan_Allen]

Well, now that's downright interesting. As I said, I haven't been able to be on this thread full time, and have not read all the posts. I googled VES (spelled out) with Rockefeller and came up with the following very interesting chapter of a book. Most interesting about the state of Florida trying to implement this in 1968! I guess I missed this. Was this passed after that time, or is this the precedent that they need to get this enacted? Please explain....

THE MEN BEHIND HITLER - THE SAME OLD TUNE CHAPTER IX
http://www.toolan.com/hitler/sameold.html (scroll down to
'a bill to be entitled')

[kimmie7]

And an interesting article here .

[kimmie7]

Because people have to be shocked into "seeing" ugly things. People like stunts. The jell-o campaign was unpopular (privately touted as "brilliant" by a PR person) but it would have been news-worthy simply because of the sheer display....

In a world of instant gratification, most people have to be slapped with an issue before they will show even the slightest bit of concern. As I was told..."Most people just want to sit on the couch and drink a coke while the world goes to hell." (paraphrased)

[kimmie7]

good find!!!