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Freepers call to action re. Terri Schindler-Schiavo. Make a complaint against Judge Greer:
Various ^ | August 28, 2003

Posted on 08/28/2003 5:20:42 AM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl

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To: iowamomforfreedom
bump for Terri
1,921 posted on 09/06/2003 10:05:59 PM PDT by trustandobey (ONWARD CHRISTIAN SOLDIERS)
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To: iowamomforfreedom
Bump for Freedom
1,922 posted on 09/06/2003 10:07:00 PM PDT by trustandobey (ONWARD CHRISTIAN SOLDIERS)
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To: Theodore R.
Hugh Finn was a victim of his greedy and ugly wife, who had him moved from Kentucky to Virginia because she wanted to kill him. Hugh's immediate family were incredibly committed and involved, hard fighters, like Terri's family, and in the end the governor actually ended up suing Hugh's wife for trying to kill him.

But she killed him anyway, see my FR page for some links on him. The thing is that afterward she sued the state of Virginia and the governor for interfering in her personal affairs, and initially, at least won her legal fees from the state. Though I think later it was reversed.

Delegate Bob Marshall, whom I just emailed asking his ideas for Terri, actually, was very involved in Hugh's case.

Hugh wanted to live

hugh finn

And yes, I think you are correct. This is where my stance has been. They had loads and loads of protesters in Missouri for both Nancy Cruzan and Christine Busalacchi, even caretakers who took out huge newspaper ads. Some 300 people with signs outside the hospital rooms of Hugh Finn and Nancy Cruzan. Especially with Hugh, the media was all over it because he had been one of them.

I am waiting for a miracle or the courts to completely turn around on this one, because in reading all of these past cases, not much else seemed to make a difference.

1,923 posted on 09/06/2003 10:10:45 PM PDT by MarMema
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To: Theodore R.
Michele Finn

"Sen. Richard L. Saslaw (D-Fairfax) introduced the measure, which would pay Finn the $48,000 she spent last fall fighting Gilmore's unsuccessful effort to persuade the Virginia Supreme Court to effectively prevent Finn from having the tube removed last fall. The governor wanted the high court to reverse a lower-court ruling that Hugh Finn was in a "persistent vegetative state" as the result of a 1995 automobile accident."

1,924 posted on 09/06/2003 10:13:01 PM PDT by MarMema
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To: lakey
The Schindlers are batting their heads against the wall by insisting that the federal government intervene. Ain't gonna happen.

It is so hard to believe that so many laws are allowed to be broken at the hands of the judicial system. It is a sad day in America when the courts are allowed to commit murder. Where is the public outrage. This is a very sick society.

1,925 posted on 09/06/2003 10:14:32 PM PDT by blueriver
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To: Theodore R.
"The $48,000 that Saslaw is seeking for Michele Finn would be in addition to the $15,731 that a Prince William judge has ordered the state to pay her. The judge ruled that Gilmore's intervention in the Finn case violated legal prohibitions against frivolous lawsuits; the state is appealing the ruling."

From the same link. That was an expensive interference for Hugh...but I am pretty sure I read recently that the appeals court overturned it. I hope.

1,926 posted on 09/06/2003 10:14:45 PM PDT by MarMema
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To: phenn
Your point being that the state has no right to interfere - if the immediate family can speak for the disabled person, they should have the right. Correct?

It's a no-win battle for us as conservatives.

These people have taken a stance that we prefer, that of family rights over state-control, and are using it to get rid of cumbersome spouses or children and/or to kill same in order to inherit.

If not, please share. Obviously the Wendland case was a victory for us but the Finn case a huge sad story.

1,927 posted on 09/06/2003 10:21:42 PM PDT by MarMema
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To: blueriver; lakey; phenn
The Schindlers are batting their heads against the wall by insisting that the federal government intervene. Ain't gonna happen

But we should hope for it anyway...cause I think %$$#^&*(& Michele Finn sure put a big hole in the idea of intervention from the governor. And what is left, imo, is divine intervention, Which does happen.

I don't mean to sound like a pessimist but all the talk radio shows in the world are not going to stop the courts from running this show.

To me the most sad thing seems to be that if Terri were in Michigan, she would not be able to be killed. Which is why the federal govt needs to be involved. Whether you can be starved or not should not be about which state you are injured in and reside in. But it is most certainly about that now, with Michele Finn and Pete Busalacchi both making moves to other states in order to kill their family members.

1,928 posted on 09/06/2003 10:28:11 PM PDT by MarMema
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To: blueriver
It is so hard to believe that so many laws are allowed to be broken at the hands of the judicial system

Actually they are not being broken, They are being MADE, case by case.

Each time one of these cases goes to the Supreme Court, and the person is killed, afterward the state amends it's natural death act - to include more leniency, etc.

In Colorado right now you have only 7 days to emerge from a coma or you can be killed by your family. Hey, one week or say goodbye. geeze, talk about rushing these people out the door.

At the same time, interestingly enough, both the UK and New Zealand are in the process of making it illegal to starve or dehydrate a person, even if they are terminally ill and desire it.

1,929 posted on 09/06/2003 10:32:48 PM PDT by MarMema
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To: All
Where is the link to the Federal Court order?
Rooker-Feldman Doctrine does not apply in this case!
Yay!
Fay
1,930 posted on 09/06/2003 10:39:46 PM PDT by yesnettv (We need to decide to save Terri's life. I did.)
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To: MarMema
Many of us believe that our constitution was divinely inspired.

This is the time to stand up for those words of wisdom. Our sovereignty is being lost unless we do.

Terri's case can be won if she is not in a persistent vegetative condition. The Schindler's tell us she isn't. They have to prove it to those in authority.

The statute of limitations is up on Michael beating Terri. There's no statute of limitations on murder. But it has to be proved.

My e-mails are out, & snail mail will go out Monday to Florida legislators.

Unfortunately, 9-11 will dominate the news at a time when we need media most.

1,931 posted on 09/06/2003 10:44:34 PM PDT by lakey (It's the Constitution, stupid!)
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To: yesnettv
I hope you are right.
1,932 posted on 09/06/2003 10:45:08 PM PDT by lakey (It's the Constitution, stupid!)
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To: All
Los Angeles Area Freepers:
Why don't we stage our own rally in LA on 9/11 in support of Terri?
What do you think?
Fay
1,933 posted on 09/06/2003 10:54:18 PM PDT by yesnettv (We need to decide to save Terri's life. I did.)
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To: kimmie7
I'm doing good, thanks.

Just thinking as I read through these comments -- how many other "Terri's" there have been. I really had no idea. How frightening to think what has been going on, and I am ashamed to say I never thought much about it before Terri. And to think how many more people are out there that still have no idea. And the mainstream media using the words brain-dead and coma in such a careless manner. Most people are really clueless to the frightening ramifications to all this.

We need to save Terri - and wake everyone up to what is going on in this country. We need to make a major stink about this and make EVERY state take a good look at their laws in this regard.
1,934 posted on 09/06/2003 10:58:29 PM PDT by iowamomforfreedom (Why is it illegal to starve an animal but not a human being?)
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To: trustandobey
Got a word from the Father for me tonight? I could use it.
1,935 posted on 09/06/2003 11:00:02 PM PDT by kimmie7 (Stand up, stand up for Jesus ye soldiers of the Cross! Pray for Terri Schiavo!)
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To: MarMema
Actually they are not being broken, They are being MADE, case by case.

Times sure have changed. I recall many years ago the case about a girl named Kathleen Quinlin. I think the family wanted to pull the plug but the courts would not allow it. The courts are now acting like God choosing death for people that are disabled. I think it use to be that unless someone specifically documented that they would prefer death that they were not allowed to be killed. This is a very slippery slope where judges in this country have way to much power. It needs to be stopped.

1,936 posted on 09/06/2003 11:01:58 PM PDT by blueriver
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To: MarMema
Makes me proud to be a distant cousin of Gov. Gilmore's...very distant. But I got to meet him while working with the Republican Womens' Club in '00. Very nice man. I was surprised to get a Christmas card from him that year!
1,937 posted on 09/06/2003 11:02:30 PM PDT by kimmie7 (Stand up, stand up for Jesus ye soldiers of the Cross! Pray for Terri Schiavo!)
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To: lakey; phenn
I agree with you. But when the governor of Virginia lost his attempt to prove that Finn was not PVS, well it looks pretty bleak.

I have approached this by trying to read everything I can get my hands on in the past few days, and emailing people who were involved in those previous high profile cases, to see what they had to say.

After three long days of reading, I have come to the conclusion that Terri's life is now in the hands of God and the court system.

It was the Michigan Supreme Court, of all of them, which showed the greatest reluctance to accept the PVS diagnosis and actually gave a rip about the functional ability of the patient ( Michael Martin).

In my new book Forced Exit, a must read if you want to learn more about all of this...a neurologist who is prolife tells the story of a man who was admitted unconscious and the family was told he was PVS and to kill him.

But the family liked him and got a consult from this neuro, who did testing and found the cause of the problem to be a brain seizure. A week later the man walked out of the hospital with all of his mental functions and back to his previous state.
What this neuro is saying is that people everywhere are doing the "PVS thing", it's like a fad now. They're all PVS and just go ahead and kill them.

In a frightening writing I just downloaded from the library about the Busalacchi case, the head of the St. Louis U neuro dept tells of killing his own daughter who had respiratory complications from AIDS, and how happy he was to do it. In the same story he mentions at least 2 patients he allowed to be starved with the collaboration of the family, talking about how secret they kept it to keep the state out of it. He makes a broad insinuation that he is doing this a lot more than the media knows about, because no family members are fighting it in those cases.
And, IMO, he is extending an open invitation in the article to families who wish to contact him for the same "quiet" killings they may desire.

We're really fighting a very established and uphill battle here.

1,938 posted on 09/06/2003 11:03:15 PM PDT by MarMema
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To: yesnettv
Could you elaborate, please?
1,939 posted on 09/06/2003 11:04:39 PM PDT by kimmie7 (Stand up, stand up for Jesus ye soldiers of the Cross! Pray for Terri Schiavo!)
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To: lakey
And I'm sure that's a coincidence, right? /sarcasm

1,940 posted on 09/06/2003 11:05:58 PM PDT by kimmie7 (Stand up, stand up for Jesus ye soldiers of the Cross! Pray for Terri Schiavo!)
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