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To: Alamo-Girl
Enoch is quoted directly in the book of Jude and about 100 passages in the New Testament are rooted in the 1 Enoch phrasing.

Can you provide "chapter and verse" on some of these references? I am afraid, after 30 years of studying the Bible, I have yet to find such references. But, if you can point me to some, I would appreciate it.

Thanks

BTW - similarity in phrasing is not the same thing as a quote - for the record.

16 posted on 08/27/2003 12:36:39 PM PDT by LiteKeeper
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To: LiteKeeper
Thank you so much for your question!

Here is the direct reference from the book of Jude:

And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard [speeches] which ungodly sinners have spoken against him. - Jude 1:14-15

Charlesworth lists the following as examples where the New Testament thought was influenced: Matthew, Luke, John, Acts, Romans, 1 and 2 Corinthians, Ephesians, Colossians, 1 and 2 Thessalonians, 1 Timothy, Hebrews, 1 John. The scope of influence he says includes the Messiah, the Son of Man, the messianic kingdom, demonology, the future, resurrection, final judgment, the whole eschatological theater, and symbolism.

I will need to do some more digging to find the specific 100 instances mentioned in the excerpt quoted above.

20 posted on 08/27/2003 1:06:57 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: LiteKeeper
Here’s a sampling of some of the information out there, please let me know if you would like more:

Enoch and 1 John

Enoch and Hebrews

These are from a “fringe” website that gives verse to verse comparisons:

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23 posted on 08/27/2003 1:50:20 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: LiteKeeper

I have not found that the OT is quoted directly so very many times in the NT as it is loosely phrased by the commentor, but we know generally where it is from, in the OT, by context.
Many times the Septuagint is quoted from by the NT writers, and the reference is certainly phrased a bit differently than in the Masoretic text of the KJV.

The same goes for Enoch 1. It is often loosely phrased -and maybe not so loosely as we have so many translations to go through to get back to an original remark, sometimes, but the context and doctrines which come from Enoch 1 are easily identified by one familiar with it, when reading the NT -and the OT; and in my own studies I have discovered that Enoch is referred to many more times than credit is given.

In Revelation I discovered the same scene shown John in heaven which Enoch saw, but Enoch’s was pre-incarnation and John’s was post resurrection of the “Lamb that was slain”.

As the originals were not chapter and versed, and as the commentors had internalized the contents of the OT and the prophets, then they freely use the internalized material, in truth. They do not change the context by free usage, and one who is familiar with the source also identifies it easily.
The same thing is in every day life. I repeat something after internalizing it truthfully, but the phrasing may differ from the original.

Matthew, Mark, Luke and John all did the same, with none of them stating the same words in the same reports of the sayings and deeds of Jesus Christ, but all agreeing in context of the events and words.


185 posted on 04/15/2008 3:23:18 PM PDT by prayforpeaceofJerusalem
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