To: Classicaliberalconservative
It is the northeast that keeps America to its free market and classical liberal live and let live traditions.You are being facetious--aren't you? It is the Northeast that has been historically most associated with protectionism. It is also the area where the notion of forcing all Americans--regardless of the values in their respective States--to live according to various forms of regimented centrally decreed values--have all originated.
As for the idea of the South degenerating into Class Warfare? If you look more closely, it was Northern agitation--the NAACP, for a prime example--which led to confrontation between the races in the 20th Century. The leader of the Southern Negroes--Booker T. Washington--advocated Conservative cooperation, between the Free Men and their former Masters--the absolute antithesis of the Class Warfare that broke out in France, between the one-time Feudal Masters & a manipulated mob.
Do not mistake my drift. As a Conservative Ohioan, I am very glad to have my Conservative Southern Friends in the Union. But there is no evidence that they would have been any less Conservative, had they left it. Rather, just the opposite.
William Flax Return Of The Gods Web Site
116 posted on
08/27/2003 2:30:51 PM PDT by
Ohioan
To: Ohioan
>>It is the Northeast that has been historically most associated with protectionism. It is also the area where the notion of forcing all Americans--regardless of the values in their respective States--to live according to various forms of regimented centrally decreed values--have all originated.<<
That is quite true. The protectionist economic policies that the North Eastern elites imposed on the South through high tarrifs, was a major contributory factor to the Civil War.
Even on the issue of slavery, so many people today are ignorant of the fact that, the main reason why Northerners opposed slavery was because of the threat it posed to free white labor in the North, rather than genuine concern over the fate of the slaves.
Posters like #3Fan, ignore the fact that states in the American West, in Washington State, Oregon, and elsewhere, had laws preventing blacks from moving into those states. It was also in those Northern states, that the most vigorous efforts were made, to exclude Chinese immigrants from America.
To: Ohioan
>>The leader of the Southern Negroes--Booker T. Washington--advocated Conservative cooperation, between the Free Men and their former Masters--the absolute antithesis of the Class Warfare that broke out in France, between the one-time Feudal Masters & a manipulated mob.<<
Washington was a great man. In the 1960s, William F. Buckley, back in the days when he was still a real conservative (before the neocons guit-tripped him), dedicated one of his books to Booker T. Washington. Buckley titled his book, "Up From Liberalism", in memory of Washington, whose autobiography was titled "Up From Slavery".
To: Ohioan
Oh my goodness I cannot believe you just wrote that. "Confrontation between races was caused by northern agitation"? Yeah I am sure the blacks down there loved being looked down upon, treated like second class citizens, lynched and deprived of there voting rights. Are you listeining to yourself? "Northern Agitators" went down there and were just causing trouble when the races got along fine before. Who cares if a back guy could get lynched for whistling at a white woman? If the blacks down there were so happy why did so many move north? While Booker T Washington did urge more self improvement than political agitation, he did not downplay the latter either. He wanted blacks to have equal rights in this country and saw community improvement as one step to get there. The NAACP did not cause racial confrontation, it was already there. Blacks did not like to be treated like second class citizens during the days of segregation and anyone who thinks different is deluding themselves.
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