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An Alternate Road Map
The Conning Tower ^ | Aug. 25, 2003 | Trentino

Posted on 08/26/2003 3:08:27 PM PDT by Davis

There's no point in grieving about the demise of the "road map" the State Department concocted and Condi Rice announced fourteen months ago. It's clear, isn't it, that the Arabs resident in Palestine and elsewhere had and have no desire for an Arab state living in peace with Israel. Their desire is the extinction of Israel and the death of Jews. They say this all the time, they teach it in school, they preach it in their mosques. There's no reason to disbelieve them since they've suited their actions to their words with perfect consistency. Why else would they dance for joy at blowing up Jews on a bus in Jerusalem?

Based as it is on a faulty premise, the road map is caput. Whatever the intentions of its patrons, it has no chance for success. It should be stacked in a corner of some storage facility along with the Kellogg-Briand peace pact, the League and United Nations charters, and other miscellaneous flummery.

The Rice road map, like the Oslo accords, was a delusion. Israel faces the same choices it has always faced. It can acquiesce in its own destruction or it can fight.

It can fight as it has been doing, selecting its targets, seeking to kill the chiefs of those who under Allah's battle banner wrap the faithful in Semtex and send them off to martyrdom aboard buses, in grocery stores and restaurants. But Israel's selective and restrained response is not likely to suffice for long. The sheiks, imams, mullahs, and ayatollahs are not likely to be discouraged. They must be persuaded by force of arms.

Israel must change the way she fights. I surely hope she does. Try this alternate road map on for size. See if it fits.

It's no secret that Israel has nuclear weapons, has had them for about forty years. It is my guess that Israel has already stashed a few of them in a number of European capitals, for safety's sake. (Putteth not all thine eggs in the one basket.) There are surely a few in Israel itself that can be made operational in say, forty-five minutes.

Of course, these are purely defensive nuclear weapons. So are the aircraft Israel will use to deliver them to their targets: Riyadh, Damascus, and Teheran. Yes, that's where their defensive capacity will have the greatest impact.

No doubt there will be an outcry. Nuking Riyadh, Damascus, and Teheran on a single day, reducing them to cinders, some will call disproportionate, excessive, maybe even uncivilized–-all that destruction merely to save "that shitty little country" as the French ambassador famously called it. So? There was a great outcry when in 1980 Israel demolished Iraq's Osirik nuclear facility. But the benefits were soon acknowledged. Outcries tend to die down pretty swiftly, and after a while, people will realize what a favor the Jews of Israel have done for the civilized world.

It is likely, too, that Israelis and other Jews will be condemned for killing the moderates of Islam along with their true enemies, militant Islam, the civilians along with the military. But you know, it can't be helped. It may be true, as Daniel Pipes says, that militant Islam is the problem and moderate Islam is the answer. He's a fine scholar and he may be right when he estimates militant Islam at between 10% and 15% of Muslim. That's a large number anyway, about 150,000,000, or thereabouts, and they're very dangerous. Why, can you imagine some of them had the chutzpah to load a truck with explosives in Syria, drive it to Baghdad, park next to UN headquarters and detonate those explosives?

It's impossible, as you know, for an embattled tiny nation fighting for its life to ascertain the status of each of its enemies. Just too hard to sort out the moderates from militants and immoderates, the innocent from the guilty. Let Allah sort them out.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: condoleezzarice; islam; israel; roadmaptopeace
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1 posted on 08/26/2003 3:08:28 PM PDT by Davis
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To: Davis

2 posted on 08/26/2003 3:10:55 PM PDT by AntiGuv (™)
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I would propose to nuke the house of an author of this stupid text. Of course for purely defensive reasons.
3 posted on 08/26/2003 3:22:53 PM PDT by JackTom
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To: Davis; SAMWolf; PhilDragoo
Good article, thanks for posting it.

Ping you guys.
4 posted on 08/26/2003 3:34:17 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Pray for our troops)
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To: Davis
No Peace without Victory. One side has to totally defeat the other and then dictate Peace terms. As far as the terrorists are concerned, only a dead one is worth anything, and even then not a whole lot..
5 posted on 08/26/2003 3:38:10 PM PDT by SAMWolf (Oregon - Where the Legislature keeps writing checks the taxpayers can't cover.)
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To: Davis
I find that kind of talk ugly and irresponsible.

Where does this "Trentino" guy live? Surely not in Israel.

The Sharon government and the IDF are stepping up the pace, killing Hamas (at least I hope we'll see much more of it in the coming weeks).

If and when the Iranians get close to assembling a nuclear weapons, the Israeli air force will strike and destroy the facilities.

What Trentino is advocating is crazy.
6 posted on 08/26/2003 3:42:09 PM PDT by tictoc
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re: "their targets: Riyadh, Damascus, and Teheran"

You forgot Mecca and Medina!

During the Haj would be best.

7 posted on 08/26/2003 3:46:17 PM PDT by RonHolzwarth
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To: SAMWolf; Davis; snippy_about_it; dennisw; SJackson; Yehuda; Grampa Dave
Arafat signed Oslo in 1993, vowing to eschew violence and accept the state of Israel, stop teaching hate, that sort of thing.

Clinton sent Carville to defeat Netanyahu, and install Barak who would betray Israel to Arafat--who again pretended to eschew violence and accept the state of Israel, stop teaching hate, that sort of thing.

Arafat launched his intifada, translated as open season on Israeli Jews.

The clouds parted and the Road Map descended upon a beam of light into the open hands of Condoleezza Rice:

It was simplicity itself:

Arafat had only to eschew violence and accept the state of Israel, stop teaching hate, that sort of thing.

Further, the Arafat dopleganger would serve instead of Arafat as head of the PA (Pogroms Are-us).

Terror is exhausting work, so a hudna or "ersatz truce" was declared in June, followed by 300 terror attacks which were allowed under Reuters Rules of Engagement.

Then the big bus explosion followed by the mean-spirited Israeli response which torpedoed the cease-fire!.

Now comes the modest proposal of Trentino to detonate explosive devices in other capitals besides Jerusalem killing innocents other than Jews (IOTJ).

Is it satire?

Does it not question the very foundation of New York Times reality?

That all Palestinian attacks are good attacks, that all Israeli attacks are bad attacks?

Will Sharon ask for directions again from the helpful National Security Advisor for the United States Condoleezza Rice?

Or will he rather crumple the road map into a ball, jam it into the glove box of the IDF armored personnel carrier, and plan the next Hamas assassination?

Aha! There he goes in that APC, with its bumper sticker:

HAMAS NO MAS
SPLAT ARAFAT
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8 posted on 08/26/2003 4:29:34 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: PhilDragoo
The clouds parted and the Road Map descended upon a beam of light into the open hands of Condoleezza Rice:

It was simplicity itself:

Arafat had only to eschew violence and accept the state of Israel, stop teaching hate, that sort of thing. I love your use of the language.

9 posted on 08/26/2003 4:33:39 PM PDT by SAMWolf (Oregon - Where the Legislature keeps writing checks the taxpayers can't cover.)
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To: PhilDragoo
The clouds parted and the Road Map descended upon a beam of light into the open hands of Condoleezza Rice:

LOL. ;)

10 posted on 08/26/2003 4:35:08 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Pray for our troops)
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To: PhilDragoo
Yes!
11 posted on 08/26/2003 4:45:14 PM PDT by Davis
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To: PhilDragoo
HAMAS NO MAS
SPLAT ARAFAT.

I love it!

Postscript to what I wrote earlier (not directed at you):

The purpose of having nuclear weapons is deterrence, which means ideally they are never used.

Ideally. But if and when their use is inevitable they can and will be used.

If. And when.

12 posted on 08/26/2003 4:52:24 PM PDT by tictoc
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Yes, as PhilDragoo so eloquently writes, this seems to be a modest proposal. It has great pecekeeeping potential. Kin Jong Il will be paying close attention. The world will be a safer place for 50 or 100 years. After all, the Japanese have been pussycats since August 12, 1945. Those atom bomds, primitive as they were compared to the small, neat ones Israel has these days, were effective and saved probably 200,000 American lives.

There's no point in having nukes if you're too terrified to use them. There are not only for deterrence. They're for winning. And the first war that Israel loses will be her last. So, don't wait, don't hesitate, nuke Riyadh, Damascus, Tehran. You'll be doing the world a favor.
13 posted on 08/26/2003 5:19:11 PM PDT by hrhdave
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To: RonHolzwarth
re: "their targets: Riyadh, Damascus, and Teheran"

You forgot Mecca and Medina!

During the Haj would be best.

As much as I would like to see those places disappear in a thermonuclear flash, there is a good reason why it should never be done: it would leave Al Aqsa on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem as the number-one surviving muslim holy place.

14 posted on 08/26/2003 5:57:48 PM PDT by Mackey
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To: PhilDragoo
This sounds like "you're with us or against us" kind of stuff. Scary, makes sense, but I don't know if the administration is up for it, and I doubt Israel is without at least some moral support.
15 posted on 08/26/2003 6:08:21 PM PDT by SJackson
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Yehuda; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; ...
If you'd like to be on or off this middle east/political ping list, please FR mail me.
16 posted on 08/26/2003 6:08:51 PM PDT by SJackson
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it would leave Al Aqsa on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem as the number-one surviving muslim holy place.

Not after the Israelis tear it down to rebuild Solomon's Temple.

17 posted on 08/26/2003 6:32:20 PM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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it would leave Al Aqsa on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem as the number-one surviving muslim holy place.

The third most important historical site, this place? It's importance is a recent phenom.


18 posted on 08/26/2003 6:37:55 PM PDT by SJackson
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To: tictoc
The purpose of having nuclear weapons is deterrence, which means ideally they are never used.

Ideally. But if and when their use is inevitable they can and will be used.

But, if their use is inevitable, and they are not used, then their purpose(deterrence) is lost....and their holder as well.

19 posted on 08/26/2003 7:53:59 PM PDT by Optimist (I think I'm beginning to see a pattern here.)
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To: Optimist
But, if their use is inevitable, and they are not used, then their purpose(deterrence) is lost....and their holder as well.

I probably expressed myself badly because I agree 100% with your point. But, to talk about nuking Riyadh, Damascus etc. now, I find that irresponsible and crazy.

There is a lot of killing of terrorists to do before we near that point (I'd like to see 400 Hamas dead by next week, and that's just for starters) and other things to be tried.

20 posted on 08/26/2003 8:02:52 PM PDT by tictoc
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