Get a load of this.
1 posted on
08/26/2003 8:24:40 AM PDT by
Quilla
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To: Quilla
DraftWesleyClark.com group commissioned a Zogby poll in which those surveyed were asked to select a candidate based on his bio without knowing the candidate's name. I don't know why anyone even bothers to do this. Adolph Hitler would probably "win" one of these polls handily over any U.S. president in the last 50 years.
To: Quilla
Paula Zahn, early last spring when she was still on the morning show, asked Wesley if he was intending to run. He ducked the question with a sly smile and she then asked if he would at least state what party he might run under. He ducked again.
This has been in the works for quite a while IMO. Stinks like a Clinturd too.
Prairie
38 posted on
08/26/2003 8:51:31 AM PDT by
prairiebreeze
(The UN got a wake up call. And has chosen to go back to sleep.)
To: Quilla
Get a load of this. It figures the RATs would love a guy who traded a Nighthawk for a dozen Serb tanks and APCs.
40 posted on
08/26/2003 9:14:07 AM PDT by
steveegg
(I have one thing to say to the big spenders; BLIZZARD OF RECALL TOUR!)
To: Quilla
My name means a lot to me. It tells others that based on what you know about me you can trust me. IF, using my name causes someone to distrust my word based on their knowledge or experience with me then I don't deserve their trust. General CLARK you are no General George Washington! Mr. CLARK your name is your bond and your value on your name is close to ZERO and your poll proves it. You, Mr. CLARK, are unelectable based on your name.
43 posted on
08/26/2003 9:22:26 AM PDT by
encm(ss)
To: Quilla
Here we go again. Another 'vast right wing conspiracy'.
To: Quilla
the very CNN that witheld involvement WITH Iraq prior
and during this war ? that CNN ? that CNN complied with Bush ?.....only if you believe " The Most Trusted Name In News".............my arse.
To: Quilla
I just googled "Wesley Clark" and "World War II" -- look what came up, from antiwar.com of all places.
Wesley Clark: The Guy Who Almost Started World War III
by Stella Jatras
August 23, 2003
General Wesley Clark, former Supreme Allied Commander Europe (SACEUR) and Friend of Bill's (FOB) is considering a run for President of these United States. In an AP report of 29 June, former-President William Jefferson Clinton stated that Wesley Clark would make a fine president, if he ran. After all, what are friends for? There is also a grassroots campaign effort to "draft Wesley Clark" for president which states, "We believe America needs a new president. One who can be a voice for common sense and moderation in these dangerous, uncertain times. One with the unquestionable leadership and foreign policy credentials necessary to win in 2004. We believe that General Wesley Clark might just be the one. That is why we are trying to convince him to seek the Democratic nomination for president."
Let us look at what kind of a president Wesley Clark would make according to CounterPunch of November 12, 1999, "The poster child for everything that is wrong with the GO (general officer) corps," exclaims one colonel, who has had occasion to observe Clark in action, citing, among other examples, his command of the 1st Cavalry Division at Fort Hood from 1992 to 1994.
"At the beginning of the Kosovo conflict, CounterPunch delved into the military career of General Wesley Clark and discovered that his meteoric rise through the ranks derived from the successful manipulation of appearances: faking the results of combat exercises, greasing to superiors and other practices common to the general officer corps. We correctly predicted that the unspinnable realities of a real war would cause him to become unhinged. Given that Clark attempted to bomb the CNN bureau in Belgrade and ordered the British General Michael Jackson to engage Russian troops in combat at the end of the war, we feel events amply vindicated our forecast.
"With the end of hostilities it has become clear even to Clark that most people, apart from some fanatical members of the war party in the White House and State Department, consider the general, as one Pentagon official puts it, 'a horse's ass.' Defense Secretary William Cohen is known to loathe him, and has seen to it that the Hammer of the Serbs will be relieved of the Nato command two months early."
This is the guy who received the Kosovo Campaign Medal after having been granted a waiver, although according to an article in Stars and Stripes (European addition), no one seems to know who granted the waiver in time for the general to get the first medal awarded. Even though he led the international alliance in its 78-day blitz against Yugoslavia, the waiver was necessary because General Clark's service did not meet the criteria for the award which required service in the actual theater of operation. It appears that Clark made no effort to secure similar waivers for the thousands of service personnel who supported the effort from bases outside the combat zone.
On 17 July 2001, General Wesley Clark was confronted in an often heated exchange by his critics at Border's book store where the general was promoting his book, Waging Modern War. Although one of the axioms of Clark's book is that, "A Political Problem Cannot be Solved by Military Force," what he practiced and advocated in Kosovo was just the opposite. When confronted with questions about the misuse of air power and grossly exaggerating the results as exposed in a Newsweek article titled Kosovo Cover-Up of 15 May 2000, targeting civilian targets as stated by Sen. Joe Lieberman, and consorting with KLA terrorists such as Hashim Thaci and Agim Ceku, General Clark's replies were always the same: the questioner was wrong, Sen. Lieberman was wrong, and Newsweek was wrong. "I went to the presentation very much opposed to everything Clark stood for, but it wasn't until I heard him speak and answer questions that I realized how dangerous a man like this is," writes Col. George Jatras, USAF (Ret).
'THE GUY WHO ALMOST STARTED WORLD WAR III'
In Waging Modern War, General Clark wrote about his fury upon learning that Russian peacekeepers had entered the airport at Pristina, Kosovo, before British or American forces. In the article "The guy who almost started World War III," (Aug. 3, 1999), The Guardian (U.K.) wrote, "No sooner are we told by Britain's top generals that the Russians played a crucial role in ending the West's war against Yugoslavia than we learn that if NATO's supreme commander, the American General Wesley Clark, had had his way, British paratroopers would have stormed Pristina airport, threatening to unleash the most frightening crisis with Moscow since the end of the Cold War."
"I'm not going to start the third world war for you," General Sir Mike Jackson, commander of the international KFOR peacekeeping force, is reported to have told Gen. Clark when he refused to accept an order to send assault troops to prevent Russian troops from taking over the airfield of Kosovo's provincial capital. The Times of London reported on 23 May 2001 in an article titled, "Kosovo clash of allied generals," that "General Sir Michael Jackson [was] told that he would have to resign if he refused to obey an order by the American commander of Nato's forces during the Kosovo war to stop the Russians from seizing control of Pristina airport in June 1999."
If General Clark had had his way, we might have gone to war with Russia, or at least resurrected vestiges of the Cold War and we certainly would have had hundreds if not thousands of casualties in an ill-conceived ground war
In his article titled, "A Long, Tough Job," which appeared in the Washington Post on 14 September, Clark writes, "And the American public will have to grasp and appreciate a new approach to warfare. Our objective should be neither revenge nor retaliation, though we will achieve both. Rather, we must systematically target and destroy the complex, interlocking network of international terrorism. The aim should be to attack not buildings and facilities but the people who have masterminded, coordinated, supported and executed these and other terrorist attacks.
"Our methods should rely first on domestic and international law, and the support and active participation of our friends and allies around the globe. Evidence must be collected, networks uncovered and a faceless threat given shape and identity."
"Rely on international law"? Clinton and his gangsters broke every international law on the books regarding Yugoslavia. "Evidence must be collected?" Evidence of what? The Serbs certainly did not have weapons of mass destruction; nor did they attack us first; nor were they ever a threat to us. His words ring hollow.
You can read "Wes" Clark's letter to the National Albanian American Council of 1 November 2002, in which he says, "Let's stay in touch." For an American general who was supposed to be impartial in a civil war, it is no secret that Clark is the Albanian lobby's fair-haired boy. And why not? He delivered Kosovo to them.
General Clark brags about the fact that not one solder was killed under his command. Even though the Serbs had every opportunity to kill American soldiers, I contend that the Serbs did not want Americans to die at their hands. This was illustrated when Sgt. Christopher Stone of Smiths Creek, Michigan, upon his release, left a note to his prison guards thanking them for treating him with "dignity and respect." The Pentagon declined to release a copy of Stone's note, but a copy was made available to The Associated Press (5 May 1999). The note ended with "Thank you, you are very kind" and "God help you."
Col. David Hackworth, in his 1999 commentary Defending America, wrote of Clark: Known by those who've served with him as the Ultimate Perfumed Prince, he's far more comfortable in a drawing room discussing political theories than hunkering down in the trenches where bullets fly and soldiers die.
Col. Jatras writes that "General Clark is the kind of general we saw too often during the Vietnam War and hoped never to see again in a position of responsibility for the lives of our GIs and the security of our nation. That it happened once again we can thank that other Rhodes scholar from Arkansas."
In this writer's judgement, what this guy is positioning himself for is the VP slot with Hillary running for President. It would be a marriage made in Hell...a Hell for all of us.
Knowing all the above, why would anyone want as president or VP a guy who was willing to start World War III for the sake of his own ego and self-importance?
52 posted on
08/26/2003 9:41:07 AM PDT by
ellery
(Don't let the facts get in the way of your worldview)
To: Quilla
showed Clark with 49 percent support in the "Blind Bio" survey compared to 40 percent for President Bush Did the Blind Bio for Bush include the following entry:
His leadership comforted the nation in time of attack, and then he oversaw a devastating counterattack against the nation's enemies that saw them defeated in weeks with minimal US casualties.
Did the Blind Bio for Clark include the following entry:
Nearly started WW3
Predicted Quagmire in Afghanistan and Iraq; counseled against war in Iraq, and criticized the tactics that won the war in 21 days; nonetheless touts his military credentials.
53 posted on
08/26/2003 9:42:16 AM PDT by
Defiant
(I am Taglinus Maximus. I do not entertain!)
To: Quilla
Sorry for the multi-posts!
Was it not CNN's own Lou Dobbs who banned Clark from his show?
Also was it not Clark who did not supply U. S. troops in Somalia?
He ducks the issue of whether he'll run as a Dem everytime Hannity asks him.
My bet says he runs as Jean Francois "I served in VietNam" Kerry's VP. They want to try and pose themselves as being more pro-military than President Bush. Will never happen - not with FreeRepublic bringing up their records on military spending (Kerry) and Clark's fiascos as a "commander" under Clinton.
To: Quilla
Didn't Ross Perot claim something similarly ridiculous about, I think it was then President GHWB? What is it with these white haired hillbillies....
58 posted on
08/26/2003 10:01:41 AM PDT by
Paradox
To: Quilla
"Apparently they called CNN. I don't have all the proof on this because they didn't call me. I've only heard rumors about it." What an idiot. Perhps Ross Perot will hire him to protect his property from all those intruders he has (running around in his head).
64 posted on
08/26/2003 10:41:44 AM PDT by
1Old Pro
To: Quilla
Clark is a lunatic if he thinks Bush has any pull with CNN really. Although if Bill O'Reilly is looking for a ridiculous item for today, this is surely it.
To: Quilla
Clark is obviously too stupid to realize how the "left" used him to attack the war in Iraq....IMHO.
66 posted on
08/26/2003 11:07:09 AM PDT by
Arpege92
To: Quilla
68 posted on
08/26/2003 12:03:58 PM PDT by
Petronski
(I'm not always cranky.)
To: Quilla
Clark is both imperious AND delusional. What a winning combination! Snicker, snicker!
To: Quilla
What a paranoid wacko!
Now I know he's a Dem.
To: Quilla; mhking
Hip-wader alert!
"The White House actually back in February apparently tried to get me knocked off CNN and they wanted to do this because they were afraid that I would raise issues with their conduct of the war," Clark told Newsradio 620 KTAR. "Apparently they called CNN. I don't have all the proof on this because they didn't call me. I've only heard rumors about it."
In the immortal words of Boris Badinof, "Hoo-boy!"
I would like to appraise the retired General, sir, if you don't mind, General sir, that the words "apparently" and "actually" do not mix harmoniously in a single declarative statement. The former means "it seems" and the latter means "it IS". They are not synonamous, sir. That being the case, General, may I be so bold as to point out that "and they wanted to do this because they were afraid" is thus rendered a piece of meaningless and idle speculation, of approximately zero denotative value. Finally, sir, it is my duty to respectfully inform you that your statement of "I don't have all the proof" is a blatant lie, as your immediately following statement "I've only heard rumors about it" clearly means that you have NO PROOF WHATSOEVER. In sum, General, it would be for the best if you would forego speaking for the next thiry years or so. You would appear so much more wise if you were to do so.
73 posted on
08/26/2003 5:09:51 PM PDT by
King Prout
(people hear and do not listen, see and do not observe, speak without thought, post and not edit)
To: Quilla
Perhaps instead of the White House it was just a Canadian think-tank that pushed CNN to fire him. Sadly, Clark is easily confused about these sort of matters.
Wesley Clark Admits He Lied
77 posted on
08/26/2003 5:26:09 PM PDT by
avg_freeper
(Gunga galunga. Gunga, gunga galunga)
To: Quilla
Clark is whackier than the bad John McCain.
80 posted on
08/26/2003 6:01:06 PM PDT by
jwalsh07
To: Quilla
Bump for timely reflection on Clark's candor.
85 posted on
09/18/2003 3:30:48 PM PDT by
AHerald
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