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Pilots Want to Rush Guns in Cockpits Training
AP via FoxNews ^ | August 25, 2003 | Unknown

Posted on 08/26/2003 4:52:07 AM PDT by NittanyLion

Edited on 04/22/2004 12:37:02 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: California; US: District of Columbia; US: Florida; US: Georgia; US: Ohio
KEYWORDS: armedpilots; bang; cockpit; guns; mineta; pilots; tsa
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The TSA's conduct is outrageous.
1 posted on 08/26/2003 4:52:08 AM PDT by NittanyLion
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To: NittanyLion
King George II is anti-gun. Of course he isn't going to make this easier.
2 posted on 08/26/2003 4:57:00 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy, and Bush is no conservative)
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The TSA's conduct is outrageous.

Quite often this is the case with most federal agencies. Even worse, they're screwing around with our safety, not just a few petty regulations concerning our lawns, or our mail delivery.

3 posted on 08/26/2003 5:00:03 AM PDT by WestPacSailor ("Atomic batteries to power; turbines to speed....")
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To: from occupied ga
Turmail said testing is necessary to make sure pilots are psychologically able to use lethal force and then fly a plane.

I enjoy this comment. I suppose if a pilot isn't capable of flying after killing the TSA prefers that the flight be overtaken by terrorists.

4 posted on 08/26/2003 5:05:36 AM PDT by NittanyLion
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"...TSA chief James Loy (search) reluctantly went along with it. Pilots say the agency now is dragging its feet because it didn't want the program in the first place.

Notice AP's obvious bias. The title of this article should be: "TSA drags feet on public safety" or "Mineta obstructs congressional mandate to secure planes".

Talk about obvious left wing bias!

5 posted on 08/26/2003 5:07:39 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: NittanyLion
Great point!

We've got billions for nonsense programs (including giving it to other countries), but we have to slow-roll a program like this.

6 posted on 08/26/2003 5:09:23 AM PDT by Ed_in_NJ
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To: WestPacSailor
Quite often this is the case with most federal agencies. Even worse, they're screwing around with our safety, not just a few petty regulations concerning our lawns, or our mail delivery.

Ironically, all pilots of aircraft carrying mail used to be required to be armed. No training. No national agency oversight with volumes of regulation.

Care to guess how that came to an end? Executive Order. Single signature.

George Bush could fix this by the end of the week. I'm not holding my breath.

7 posted on 08/26/2003 5:12:10 AM PDT by LTCJ
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Notice AP's obvious bias. The title of this article should be: "TSA drags feet on public safety" or "Mineta obstructs congressional mandate to secure planes".

Nice catch. I thought about changing it myself but I know the Admins frown on that here.

8 posted on 08/26/2003 5:24:53 AM PDT by NittanyLion
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Turmail said testing is necessary to make sure pilots are psychologically able to use lethal force and then fly a plane.

I propose reciprocal psychological testing of Turmail and TSA employees. Hell's bells, I'd settle for logical testing of them. That alone would do wonders in trimming the fat.

9 posted on 08/26/2003 5:24:54 AM PDT by LTCJ
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Which president signed it?
10 posted on 08/26/2003 5:25:19 AM PDT by savedbygrace
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Which president signed it?

Carter. Lest we puff out our chests over that, he showed more leadership (wrong-headed as it was) it doing that than Bush has in correcting the problem.

11 posted on 08/26/2003 5:29:05 AM PDT by LTCJ
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Well, you don't actually have to arm all 40k to be effective deterrent. No more than you'd have to have a cop under every bridge to deter speeding. Get the word out that you may encounter a gun, and terrorists have to plan for that possibility. Which means they'll have to bring more than a knife to the fight, which at least makes their choice more difficult.
12 posted on 08/26/2003 5:36:51 AM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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Frankly, I would feel a lot safer if the pilot did NOT open the cockpit door to the passenger area.

Would much prefer funds to be spent on screening baggage.

13 posted on 08/26/2003 5:37:24 AM PDT by OldFriend ((Dems inhabit a parallel universe))
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So! That's how we got the term "Going Postal" from - lol.
14 posted on 08/26/2003 5:45:05 AM PDT by Core_Conservative (Proud of my wife ODC_GIRL who Un-retired to support our War on Terror!)
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"Let's get the pilots armed in enough quantities to serve as an adequate deterrent,"

If our government had not unconstitutionally prohibited a private airline company from making it's own decision whether to invite their customers to be armed while being transported on their aircraft, 3,000 U.S. citizens never would have died on September 11, 2001 at the hands of plastic knife wielding hijackers.

Of course, armed pilots or for that matter, armed passengers would be a deterrent to a hijacker.

Do you think the Muslim terrorists would have even tried to hatch a plan to hijack commercial airliners for the purposes of terrorism if they knew that on a regular basis there would be 10, 30, 60, maybe 100 passengers armed on any one flight?

Of course not.

With the threat of terrorism on our soil, we should be advocating the expansion and exertion of our Second Amendment rights, not abdicating to the exclusion of that right.

Benjamin Franklin said it best:

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty or safety."

15 posted on 08/26/2003 5:45:16 AM PDT by tahiti
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Well, you don't actually have to arm all 40k to be effective deterrent. No more than you'd have to have a cop under every bridge to deter speeding.

Very true, but certainly a terrorist needs to know the odds are greater than 1 in 200 that such an encounter will occur.

16 posted on 08/26/2003 6:01:18 AM PDT by NittanyLion
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Frankly, I would feel a lot safer if the pilot did NOT open the cockpit door to the passenger area.

I would too, but if that door is breached there will be no choice in the matter. And the door will need to be opened on occasion for bathroom breaks, meals, etc.

17 posted on 08/26/2003 6:02:18 AM PDT by NittanyLion
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Do you think the Muslim terrorists would have even tried to hatch a plan to hijack commercial airliners for the purposes of terrorism if they knew that on a regular basis there would be 10, 30, 60, maybe 100 passengers armed on any one flight?

Personally, (for what that's worth) I doubt we'll see terrorists hijacking planes for a while. They realize that A)They are unlikely to get into the cockpit to gain control of the plane, and B)They are likely to receive the mother of all ass-whuppin's should they try to pull that "I've got a knife/bomb/sharp stick" crap. I, for one, would rather take my chances throwing a full body check on Achmed than let him take over a plane with the mere threat of an explosive or knife.

A much bigger threat is the fact that very few of the thousands upon thousands of containers arriving in our ports are even ever checked...or the fact that any Mexican with a good pair of tire-soled sandals and a canteen of water can make his way to San Diego, Phoenix, or El Paso without ever encountering a U.S. Law Enforcement Officer...or the fact that we STILL INSIST on letting male Arabs between the ages of 15-50 into our country.

These things concern me, not the unlikely takeover of a commercial jet.

18 posted on 08/26/2003 6:04:37 AM PDT by WestPacSailor ("Atomic batteries to power; turbines to speed....")
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To: NittanyLion
We need to allow the pilots to be armed. Period. End of story.

With about half of all pilots having been in the military, or are still in via the Reserves, they have been *TRAINED* to use weapons with tax dollars, already!!!
19 posted on 08/26/2003 6:17:14 AM PDT by getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL (...where even the mosquitoes use bug spray.)
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...George Bush could fix this by the end of the week. I'm not holding my breath....

He could have done that on September 12, 2001 and I'm not holding mine either.

20 posted on 08/26/2003 6:21:20 AM PDT by GunsareOK
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