Free trade's victims turning against Bush, GOP

The Herald Sun ^ | August 25, 2003 | associated press

[Texas_Dawg]

This is what so many Neo-Conservatives do not understand. As a majority of Americans standard of living goes down, they will at one point elect politicians who vow to stop that decline in the satndard of living, and more freedoms than ever before will be taken away in the process.

Yes, so we MUST shut off economic freedom using the federal government before this happens. The Japanese bought Rockefeller Center for God's sake! We're all doomed!

[JNB]

The point of my post was to show that median family income has not kept pace with the price of housing, even though most familes had one wage earner in the 60s compared to most having two wage earners now. I know you want to change the subject, but you can not ignore the facts.

[FITZ]

Hey, bro... hate to break this to you, but most people like it when the value of their home goes up.

Then they're really going to be mad when those home values start to fall ---- with the fast dropping wages --- that's almost sure to happen.

[Jhoffa_]

Nah it was the 24/7 coverage of Perot on CNN that gave perot the opportunity.

Myself.. I think it was issues, mainly NAFTA, that did the trick..

[Junior_G]

Yeah... because I bet in this year of yours without a job, you've really been beating down the doors to get a job there. Is there anyone, other than you, who is NOT to blame for your unemployment?

I like to think of Free Republic as a forum of generally decent people, but this "screw the unemployed" mentality of the free traders in this lot is very disheartening. There was a time when a guy with a high school education could support a family with a factory job. Now him and his wife both have to work retail. The family will have to wait.
Unemployment is over 7% where I live. That doesn't mean 7% of the population is out on the streets panhandling like pathetic lumps of crap. It means that the economy is in a wretched state and U.S. corporations exporting jobs overseas sure as hell isn't helping. It is quite possible for hard-working, decent people to lose their jobs. Telling someone that just lost a $20/hr job to shut up and go to McDonalds just validates the worst liberal stereotypes about Republicans.

[Mo1]

That's the way it worked out... But I would hardly blame Perot for it.

I didn't blamed Perot .. I blamed the voters that voted for him

[Texas_Dawg]

I know you want to change the subject, but you can not ignore the facts.

The facts? The facts that far more people are able to own or rent good homes today than ever before in America?

[DoughtyOne]

Go back and read #123 (my post, where I responded to a proposal to exact a higher tax on overseas revenues).

You go back and read whatever you like.  We're not discussing what you said.  We're discussing what I said.

Then go back and read #131 (your response to my post).

Once again, you go back and read what you want.  I provided it to you and explained it to you.

1.  I know what I was trying to say.
2.  I said exactly what I wanted to say.
3.  I went back and explained what I was trying to say.
4.  You simply refuse to acknowledge that my comments and explanation say exactly what I intended to and you can't be adult enough to admit it.

You either tried to defend taxing US exports,

Wrong again...

or you had a severe case of neural flatulence.

If you're still pleading your losing arguement, one of us did indeed a brain fart.

Your imperfect command of the English language doesn't help others to understand your ramblings.

You're welcome to you thougts on this.  Perhaps if you weren't on so much medication, or drinking so heavily, there wouldn't be a problem.
 
 

[Mad Dawgg]

"If we eliminate the corporate income tax on all goods produced in America at the same time then those goods entirely produced in America will have an approximately 25% reduction in cost."

There you go again... MORE taxcuts for the rich while the poor guy gets screwed again!

You despicable Free-traitor-capitalist pig you!

< /sarcasm > (for the clueless among you)

[harpseal]

Re your providing a link to dsome hard data thank you. Facts matter. now the data inflation adjusted would be nice I did not peruse teh web site enough to see that but I will check into it.

[FITZ]

I didn't vote for Perot ---- but I'm wondering if he wasn't the one to vote for ---- at least he did see the value in having some jobs for Americans. I really don't see how leaders have come to the conclusion that Americans don't have to work ---- it seems almost a "let them eat cake" attitude.

[Mad Dawgg]

"...and their comrades at the Internation Butter Churners Society."

Touche!

[JNB]

As most of these threads shape up, there is much heated rhetoric, yet little in the way of facts, but it is just my observation is that the neo-conservatives are the ones who try to change the subject, act arrogant, snotty and generally immature. Not that people of the opposing viewpoint do the same at times, but I generally see those of my view point, against globalism have a better understanding of history and economics, and not just rhetoric,

[dogbyte12]

Hey, bro... hate to break this to you, but most people like it when the value of their home goes up.

If average wages go up, the value of the house, there really is no problem. Again, since you ignore it, time and again. A blue collar guy could buy a home, support a wife, and kids 30 years ago. They can't now. The wife has to work, the kids are in day care. But, the people who are in the market, they are ok.

Let me try a different tact. The people who got in the market 30 years ago, and have seen their home value sky rocket, tend to not have kids at home any more.

Do you genuinely believe that there are no economic role whatsoever in social pathologies? Yes, there are dirt poor people with the world's greatest values, and wealthy who are amoral. My point again is, is it better for society for young married couples with children to both have to work in order to buy a home.

Let me repeat myself, in case you avoid that again. I am not saying it isn't sweet for people who gained alot of value in their home value. Bully for them. I am in no way suggesting that real estate go down. I am suggesting that we work to keep higher wage jobs here so people can afford those homes. 2 Wal-Mart Jobs do not equal 1 manufacturing job when it comes to buying a house.

[Jhoffa_]

I didn't blamed Perot .. I blamed the voters that voted for him

I didn't really blame any of them...

I see these things like Market Share.

When someone gains allot, overnight.. naturally, I am interested in how they did it.

Right or wrong, he obviously appealed to these people on some level.

Imo, he did something that others could have possibly emulated.

[FITZ]

More people are foreclosing on their homes ---- that's a fact. I think in the 60's that was quite uncommon.

[Dane]

The point of my post was to show that median family income has not kept pace with the price of housing, even though most familes had one wage earner in the 60s compared to most having two wage earners now. I know you want to change the subject, but you can not ignore the facts

Huh I guess having 3 tv's, central air conditioning, 3 bathrooms, a DVD, and a microwave in the average standard house today, is much worse than the no central air conditioning and 1 bathroom houses of the 60's.

You see the houses of today come with a lot more added features than those of the 50's and 60's.

BTW, do your statistics figure in property taxes, which have skyrocketed since the 60's.

[Texas_Dawg]

Telling someone that just lost a $20/hr job to shut up and go to McDonalds just validates the worst liberal stereotypes about Republicans.

Am I supposed to cry for you? Do you understand what life was like for the Americans that created this country for you? Do you realize they had many times in their lives where they would have killed to work for the wages and comfort that a McDonald's offered? The whining and class warfare from the "little men" at FR is what is truly a joke. You don't even realize that there are just as many conservatives and people on FR that are making no more than a lot of these people whining about being unemployed (on the freaking internet!) yet they actually believe in conservatism unlike these people whining and blaming George Bush and capitalism for their problems.

[jackbill]

Mr. President your mission, should you decide to accept it, is to recover the 3+ million jobs lost on your watch. You are to find where they went, recover them, and prevent this from happening again.

If the President deigned to answer you he would probably tell you that a hell of a lot of those jobs disappeared with the underfunded, overrated dot com companies. Those folks were no better than gerbels running on a treadmill - making a lot of heat but producing nothing.

[jammer]

Oh. I thought you were joking. No wonder they call us Republicans the stupid party.