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When will Moore's monument be moved? (Who will replace Judge Moore?)
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Posted on 08/25/2003 2:04:40 PM PDT by Happy2BMe

When will Moore's monument be moved?

08/25/03By SALLIE OWEN and BILL BARROW
Capital Bureau

MONTGOMERY -- J. Gorman Houston Jr. will begin his first workday as Alabama's acting chief justice today armed with an attorney general's opinion granting him all the duties and authority given the chief justice.

Chief Justice Roy Moore was suspended from office immediately after a judicial ethics panel filed charges against him Friday. Charges stem from Moore's refusal to obey a federal court order and remove his Ten Commandments monument from public areas of the Alabama Judicial Building. The suspension lasts until the case is resolved by the Court of the Judiciary.

Moore is expected to make a public statement on the matter today.

Houston said Sunday that in his new role as acting chief justice, he could individually order the building manager to move the monument, as the eight associate justices did together Thursday morning. He said he might issue a duplicate order but had not made a final decision.

Attorney General Bill Pryor issued the opinion Saturday, answering several questions Houston posed a day earlier to clarify his duties and responsibilities as acting chief justice.

The Alabama constitution states that judges shall be disqualified, or suspended, from "acting as a judge" while charges are pending with the Court of the Judiciary. State law specifies that, if the chief justice is "disabled" from carrying out his duties because of illness or other reason, the senior associate justice will assume those responsibilities.

Houston has served as an associate justice on Alabama's Supreme Court for nearly 18 years.

According to the opinion, Houston will also have hiring and firing authority over the administrative director of courts and all members of the chief justice's staff.

Houston said he would not make any personnel changes until after he meets with the associate justices, saying he wanted it to be a "democratic process."

Meanwhile, protesters covered the front portico of the judicial building and dotted downtown street corners for the fifth consecutive day. Temperatures reached 95 degrees in Montgomery, according to the National Weather Service, with a heat index in the triple digits.

The sermons, prayers and hymns of Moore's supporters carried on throughout the day, with a two-hour worship service in the morning, an afternoon prayer service and an evening rally.

Between 500 and 1,000 demonstrators crowded around the building listening to the evening speeches when someone noticed a young man perched on a third-story ledge of the judicial building. The rally went on as planned as Montgomery police and area rescue officials tried to talk the man, who did not appear to be threatening to jump, into coming down.

Protest organizers said the man, who had been around for a few days, largely had kept to himself throughout the weekend. Some said they only knew him by the name "Greg" and had no other information.

Organizer Troy Newman of Operation Rescue called for additional people to camp out over night at the judicial building because "something very critical could happen to the monument tomorrow morning."

No information on plans to move the monument was available from state officials. Moore supporters are expected to file a counter suit in a Mobile federal court today seeking to prevent anyone from moving the 5,300-pound chunk of granite.

The Rev. Patrick Mahoney, head of the Christian Defense Coalition, said the suit will name Alabama's eight remaining Supreme Court justices as defendants.

Mahoney informally addressed Moore supporters during the late afternoon, explaining to them the group's plan to block symbolically any effort to remove the monument. He told protesters "to kneel side-by-side in Christian love" to block authorities or heavy equipment from entering the building to remove the stone.

"But do not lock arms" or resist arrest, he said, before repeating, "Do not, do not lock arms." Mahoney told the group that protest leaders have discussed their civil disobedience procedures with law enforcement personnel. "When a policeman tells you to get up, get up."

Moore's supporters have attracted counter-protesters of their own. Bob Kunst arrived in Montgomery late last week after a 12-hour trip Miami Beach, Fla. A practicing Jew, Kunst said he opposes government displays of religion and wants to highlight that there are people of faith who disagree with Moore's manner of acknowledging the Almighty.

"God doesn't need symbolism. God is God," Kunst said, standing on the corner of Dexter Avenue and McDonough Street.

Kunst held a sign reading, "Sodomites For The Separation of Church and State," a dig at some Moore supporters who have hurled insults at him in recent days. Most of the protesters, however, have been friendly, Kunst said.

Across from Kunst, a small band of Moore supporters displayed a sign of their own: "The wicked shall be turned into Hell."

Also on Sunday, Larry Darby, director of American Atheists' Alabama chapter, announced plans to hold a rally Monday for supporters of separation of church and state. Darby said the event would take place across the street from the judicial building at 11 a.m.


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To: fox0566
" Of course you would probably expect CNN and other networks to relish Judge Moore's demise, but even Fox has joined in. Every anchor that I have seen covering this story on Fox has done nothing but bash Judge Moore. The two names that come to mind right off the bat are Greg Jarrett and John Gibson. They have these smug little sneers on their faces when discussing the mess that Judge Moore has gotten himself into."

Keep your back against the wall around other so-called "conservatives" around here when it comes to things pertaining to "separation of church and state" and "neofascists christians killing people for not following the first of the Ten Commandments."

Conservative doesn't mean "conservative" where God is concerned to many (agnosti, athestic) "conservatives.

Best, H2BMe

81 posted on 08/25/2003 5:46:48 PM PDT by Happy2BMe (LIBERTY has arrived in Iraq - Now we can concentrate on HOLLYWEED!)
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
"sometimes, irony is just so... ironic, eh, guys? :)"

Hehehe...

82 posted on 08/25/2003 5:49:36 PM PDT by F16Fighter
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To: savedbygrace
"BTW, in the Gospel according to Dave, what are the requirements to become a Christian?"

Dave 1:1 In the beginning was Dave, and Dave was the word, and Dave dwelt among the lukewarm.

Dave 2:2 Dave said, I will go and separate as many believers in Christ as I can, for I am Dave.

83 posted on 08/25/2003 5:50:48 PM PDT by Happy2BMe (LIBERTY has arrived in Iraq - Now we can concentrate on HOLLYWEED!)
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To: sinkspur
..my dance card's full...

I'll bet.

But once you're done tangoing at the Blue Oyster Bar, Montgomery's awaiting.

84 posted on 08/25/2003 5:52:44 PM PDT by Byron_the_Aussie (http://www.theinterviewwithgod.com/popup2.html)
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To: Catspaw
..then you must applaud Congressional Medal of Honor winner Bob Kerrey for his service as well. Toss in some cheers for a good friend of mine...

Save the name dropping for someone who cares, Catty. Cheers, By

85 posted on 08/25/2003 5:54:26 PM PDT by Byron_the_Aussie (http://www.theinterviewwithgod.com/popup2.html)
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To: Catspaw
Judge Moore has been suspended. Who is responsible now? The state was not sued was it? Wasn't Judge Moore sued? He has no power to remove the monument.
86 posted on 08/25/2003 5:59:15 PM PDT by petitfour
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To: Dave S
"Some say the Jews stole their 'commandments' from Hamurabi and other sources."

Not even Lanny Davis would have gone in this direction.

87 posted on 08/25/2003 6:09:15 PM PDT by F16Fighter
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To: sinkspur
"Protesting makes the protester feel good, but accomplishes little else."

This statement is nothing short of absurd. The evidence suggests you must finally be fatigued and near comatose by this whole Judge Moore issue...

At least then you'd have an excuse.

88 posted on 08/25/2003 6:22:56 PM PDT by F16Fighter
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To: Byron_the_Aussie; sinkspur
You have sinkspur pegged. I believe he is a professional politico for the Republican Party or some officeholder in it. That is how come he can spend all day posting on FR while the rest of us are forced to do it after working hours. I once asked him if my hypothesis was correct and he refused to answer me.

It seems to me he is more worried about the Republican party losing votes than he is about losing Western Civilization. To him, "winning" seems to be keeping people with "R" in front of their name in office, not advancing conservative ideas. He is quick to hurl personal insult at anyone who is slow to agree to giving away the store in order to win the next election.
89 posted on 08/25/2003 6:32:58 PM PDT by Ahban
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To: Ahban
What does the Republican Party have to do with Roy Moore?

Are you saying this is all political?

90 posted on 08/25/2003 6:38:06 PM PDT by sinkspur (God's law is written on men's hearts, not a stone monument.)
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
Save the name dropping for someone who cares, Catty. Cheers, By

I won't drop names here, Byron, because you wouldn't know them. My brother-in-law's nephew, KIA in Nam. My sister's fiancee, KIA in Nam. A former boyfriend of mine from high school, KIA in Nam. Their names are on The Wall in DC. Don't insult their memory, Byron, because these ARE people who are very special, indeed.

91 posted on 08/25/2003 6:53:29 PM PDT by Catspaw
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To: TheBattman
I'm also wondering which specific LAW that Alabama state police intend to enforce by removing the monument? When was this law passed by the Alabama legislature and signed by the Governor of Alabama?
92 posted on 08/25/2003 6:54:38 PM PDT by Spiff (Have you committed one random act of thoughtcrime today?)
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To: petitfour
Judge Moore has been suspended. Who is responsible now? The state was not sued was it? Wasn't Judge Moore sued? He has no power to remove the monument.

I'll give you a link to Alabama Attorney General William Pryor's letter in which he responds to the Alabama Assembly Minority Leader which details why the state of Alabama, although not sued, is a real party of interest.

However, Chief Judge Moore had the power to place the monument and had the power to remove it by virtue of his office. Here's the link:

Letter from Alabama Attorney General William Pryor to Alabama Assembly Minority Leader Jim Carns in pdf format.

93 posted on 08/25/2003 6:59:09 PM PDT by Catspaw
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To: Dave S
Do you believe that? Which ones? Be specific.

You have read them, haven't you?

94 posted on 08/25/2003 6:59:22 PM PDT by savedbygrace
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To: petitfour
Who is responsible now?

I forgot to answer this, petitfour.

It's the acting chief justice of the Alabama Supreme Court.

95 posted on 08/25/2003 7:02:44 PM PDT by Catspaw
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To: Catspaw
...I won't drop names here, Byron, because you wouldn't know them. My brother-in-law's nephew, KIA in Nam. My sister's fiancee, KIA in Nam. A former boyfriend of mine from high school, KIA in Nam. Their names are on The Wall in DC. Don't insult their memory, Byron, because these ARE people who are very special, indeed...

Words can barely describe the contempt I feel for someone like you, who would buttress their argument by trading on a connection to those who fell in battle. You are a pathetic specimen of humanity, pal.

96 posted on 08/25/2003 7:07:12 PM PDT by Byron_the_Aussie (http://www.theinterviewwithgod.com/popup2.html)
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To: Ahban
..it seems to me he is more worried about the Republican party losing votes than he is about losing Western Civilization...

Yep. A Bloomberg Republican. Cheers, By

97 posted on 08/25/2003 7:08:36 PM PDT by Byron_the_Aussie (http://www.theinterviewwithgod.com/popup2.html)
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To: Happy2BMe
..conservative doesn't mean "conservative" where God is concerned to many (agnosti, athestic) "conservatives...

Well said, Hap!

Ever noticed the way it's okay for libertarians to idolise the Founders, but the topic of their faith (the core of their being, in most cases) must never be mentioned? Cheers, By

98 posted on 08/25/2003 7:11:42 PM PDT by Byron_the_Aussie (http://www.theinterviewwithgod.com/popup2.html)
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To: Ahban
...if he is, that ought to ask for their money back. Sinky couldn't pull the skin off a rice pudding, as we say Downunder. Cheers, By
99 posted on 08/25/2003 7:13:46 PM PDT by Byron_the_Aussie (http://www.theinterviewwithgod.com/popup2.html)
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
But Byron, weren't you the one touting Moore's military record, praising him glowingly? You called me a name dropper because I pointed out the service of Bob Kerrey and John Kerry. I didn't give you the names of those I knew who had given their lives for their country.

You're a hypocrite, Byron. You can't brag about the war record of someone who was an MP and didn't get a scratch in Nam, but condemn me for mentioning a Congressional Medal of Honor winner, other decorated war veterans and people I knew personally who gave the ultimate sacrifice.

100 posted on 08/25/2003 7:16:44 PM PDT by Catspaw
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