A Few of FR's Finest....Every Day....08-25-03....Showdown In Montgomery

Aquamarine; Billie | Aquamarine

[Dubya]

HOWDY PIP.

[Dubya]

AMEN. Jesus said, "If you are not for Me, then you are against Me".

[Pippin]

To God be the Glory!

I'm at the Pratt Library in Baltimore, and have only about 20 minutes on the computer there. but I neede to say somethiong in reference to today's theme.

I was really heartened as a Christian to hear that there are even now people who's zeal for God and His laws supercedes thier own rise in power and are willing to even lose thier position such as a judgeship. In order to see that God's laws are not shunned aside or ignored. I pray there are more Judge Moores who are not afraid to stand up for thier princples and rights and sons and daughters of God the Father.

I seen by Aqua's pictures that Judge Moore is not alone. To Aqua and those folks on that bus and who were at the courthouse protecting God's Laws I say God Bless You and may He give you strenght and resolve to never give in to the demands of liberal and athiestic societies or to so called Political Correctness.

As I said earlier on this thread to Louie

ONWARD CHRISTIAN SOLDIERS!!!!!!

[Dubya]

Here is the text of the Mayflower Compact.

In the name of God, Amen. We, whose names are underwritten, the Loyal Subjects of our dread Sovereign Lord, King James, by the Grace of God, of England, France and Ireland, King, Defender of the Faith, e&.

Having undertaken for the Glory of God, and Advancement of the Christian Faith, and the Honour of our King and Country, a voyage to plant the first colony in the northern parts of Virginia; do by these presents, solemnly and mutually in the Presence of God and one of another, covenant and combine ourselves together into a civil Body Politick, for our better Ordering and Preservation, and Furtherance of the Ends aforesaid; And by Virtue hereof to enact, constitute, and frame, such just and equal Laws, Ordinances, Acts, Constitutions and Offices, from time to time, as shall be thought most meet and convenient for the General good of the Colony; unto which we promise all due submission and obedience.

In Witness whereof we have hereunto subscribed our names at Cape Cod the eleventh of November, in the Reign of our Sovereign Lord, King James of England, France and Ireland, the eighteenth, and of Scotland the fifty-fourth. Anno Domini, 1620."

[Dubya]

This is not about the Ten Commandments or Roy Moore but it is about the First Amendment "'separation of church and state'."

Judicial activists who ruled in this case know what it is about, too; 11th U.S. Circuit Court Appellate Judge Ed Carnes wrote, "If Alabama Chief Justice Roy Moore's Ten Commandments monument were allowed to stand, it would mean a massive revision of how the courts have interpreted the First Amendment for years."

** Get the above, that is the bottom line of the whole matter.**

It is Carnes and his Leftjudiciary minions who are "above the law" by rendering verdicts based on their OPINION rather than the Constitution.

To me, opinion is the operative word. Because the Constituion reads:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof...."

The problem is that the law itself has been "interpreted" by Leftjudicial activists beyond recognition -- and "in violation of both their solemn oaths and the will of the Founders, who expected the judicial branch to rise above contemporaneous political and social agendas and abide by the letter of the Constitution".

This practice (which started many yrs ago)of "constitutional interpretation" by judicial activists is tantamount to incremental tyranny by what Thomas Jefferson rightly feared would become "the Despotic branch."

So, yes I tend to agree with Atty Gen, Bil Pryor that we are a nation of laws, and IF the fight were really abt what most assume, that would be correct.

BUT, since this is a fight abt the constitution regarding delegated powers to the feds, which were intended to be few and defined and those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite, then he (Judge Moore) needs to stand and fight. Too many have backed down before or settled b4 it reached the Supremes.

[Dubya]

Those wanting to debate the constitutional issue of Separation of Church & State then need to look at other religious declarations, which, in our country of religious "freedoms" can be just about anything. The statue of the goddess Athenia which stands in some federal court house (of which Judge Moore refers) is not just a work of art anymore than the 10 Commandments monument is. If this monumnet MUST be taken down because it offends the Law of the land, then all other religious forms MUST also be removed. Equal is equal.

[Mama_Bear]

Beautiful post Aqua! Thank you for being there, for the photos, and for sharing the protest from your perspective. :-)

B,D,D and F, I will be sending a freepmail requesting a change to the Military Prayer graphics. My niece e-mailed me yesterday that my nephew is in Korea with the Navy, so I have TWO nephews in the military now. One Army one Navy.

Hugs all around.

[Dubya]

Official Supreme Court page showing the frieze and commenting on it.

Not only does it show Moses with the Ten Commandments but it also has Muhammad with the Qur'an!

[Mama_Bear]

Hi sweetliberty. Nice to see you. Haven't seen you around for awhile.

I wish I could be there to join hands with other Christians in protest. Way too far for me to go. But I am there in spirit.

I echo Louie's question..."...there are more than a hundred Christians living in Montgomery, where were they?". I think too many people are content to just let "someone else" do it.

[Aquamarine]

Thanks for the EXCELLENT posts and link, Dubya!

[FreeTheHostages]

Can't wait to see yours

LOL, trust me on this, you can wait.

I personally think it's unfair to make me follow this excellent first thread by Aquamarine and I would be willing to say so pubicly, but for the off-chance that people might not get that I was joking and in fact don't really much care what *anyone* thinks of my first thread other than to say that of course I wait with baited breath for the judgment of The Thin Man, an industrious critiquer of my posts whose abhorence of the mispelled word is rivalled only by his distaste for run-on sentences.

[Aquamarine]

Hi Mama Bear. It felt so right to be there.

I'll be looking for your freepmail.

[Dubya]

Your welcome. I hope they help someone. You are a great Christian Soldier.

[Dubya]

The Book That Has Survived Its Enemies
The Bible, like no other book in history, has withstood vicious attacks from its enemies. Many have tried to ban it, burn it and outlaw it ... from the days of the Roman emperors to the present-day tyrant-dominated nations.

Sidney Collett, in All About the Bible, says, "Voltaire, the noted French infidel who died in 1778, said that in one hundred years from his time Christianity would be swept from existence and passed into history. But what has happened? Voltaire has passed into history, while the circulation of the Bible continues to increase in almost all parts of the world, carrying blessing wherever it goes.

"For example, the English Cathedral in Zanzibar (present-day Tanzania) is built on the site of the Old Slave Market, and its communion table stands on the very spot where the whipping post once stood! The world abounds with such instances ... As one has truly said, 'We might as well put our shoulder to the burning wheel of the sun, and try to stop it on its flaming course, as to attempt to stop the circulation of the Bible.' "

Concerning the boast of Voltaire on the extinction of Christianity and the Bible in 100 years, Geisler and Nix point out that "only 50 years after his death the Geneva Bible Society used his press and house to produce stacks of Bibles." What an irony of history!

In 303 A.D., Diocletian issued an edict to destroy Christians and their sacred book: "an imperial letter was everywhere promulgated, ordering the razing of the churches to the ground and the destruction by fire of the scriptures, and proclaiming that those who held high positions would lose all civil rights, while those in households, if they persisted in their profession of Christianity, would be deprived of their liberty."

The historic irony of the above edict to destroy the Bible is that Constantine, the emperor following Diocletian, 25 years later commissioned Eusebius to prepare 50 copies of the scriptures at the expense of the government.

The Bible is unique in its survival. This does not prove that the Bible is true, but it does prove that it stands alone among books. A student seeking truth ought to consider a book that has the above qualifications.

[dansangel]

ROFL!!! :-)

[Calpernia]

Now you don't think for one second that any of us is going to let you live that down now right?

[Calpernia]

{{{{Angel}}}}

How are you today!

[Calpernia]

Thank you Dubya! You too!

[Dubya]

U.S. answers to higher law
By the Rev. Rob Schenck

It could be argued that the Ten Commandments should be publicly displayed for no other reason than that these precepts informed our Founders. Our system of law is based on English Common Law, which had its moral foundation in the Ten Commandments. But there are other reasons for these timeless words to be publicly recognized by Americans.

The Commandments are a constant reminder of a higher moral authority than us. We are not the ultimate arbiters of right and wrong. The image of Moses in the Capitol is a statement that the laws of God are higher than the laws of man. Not all governments agree. In many countries, murder serves a state purpose. Not so here; we believe moral absolutes control governments as much as individuals. We can't change the Commandment against murder because we didn't make it in the first place. So it is with all the Commandments and the laws they effect.

Supreme Court Justice John Paul Stevens says the Commandments can't be displayed publicly because they reference God. Yet the Declaration of Independence refers to "Nature's God." Our president swears in his oath of office "so help me God." Congress begins its day with a prayer to God. The Supreme Court itself announces every sitting with "God save the United States and this honorable court."

Contrary to what some critics claim, this public acknowledgement of God transcends religious sectarianism and unites us, rather than divides us. Our national motto, carried on our money, is "In God We Trust." We pledge allegiance to "one nation under God." The Ten Commandments simply explain what God requires of us. Jews, Christians and Muslims equally revere the Commandments and nearly every other religious and secular group considers them beneficial for society.

The Founders knew liberty could be afforded only to a people restrained internally by a moral governor. No matter how many laws we have against murder, how many police we have to catch the culprits, how many courts we have to prosecute and punish them and how many prisons we have to lock them up, only a conscience informed by a law greater than a human law can stop a murder before it happens. Displaying the Ten Commandments on public property is an admission by all of us of this truth.

The Rev. Rob Schenck is founder of the Ten Commandments Project in Washington, D.C.

[GailA]

When the LEFT feel threaten by the Right they call out the law to enforce their will..They did it in TN when we went and protested their attempts to impose an UNCONSTITUTIONAL income tax on us.

Wonder job, and thanks for going for those of us who couldn't.