Posted on 08/24/2003 10:14:36 AM PDT by Timothy Paul
Ten Commandments on Display Has No Legal Standing By J.J. Johnson Please excuse the shocking title of this article. I will try to get past much of the rhetoric from both sides of the standoff about the en Commandments on display at the State Courthouse in Montgomery, Alabama. As thousands descend to Alabama's state capitol for prayer and defense of a 5300 pound rock, and legal scholars try to sort out the mess, many pundits wonder 'just what point is Chief Justice Roy Moore trying to make?' Well, here's one man's take on the matter: Despite all the historical documents from this nation's beginning, and despite everything we were taught from a young age, we are a more 'enlightened' people. We elected more 'enlightened' politicians who in turn appointed more 'enlightened' judges. And these all knowing, all powerful people, having more information at their fingertips than at any time in world history, have ruled that the basic rules of mankind that have been in place for at least 50 centuries have no place ; no legal standing in today's government.
...and that is the exact point Roy Moore is making.
The order to remove the Ten Commandments from public display at the Alabama Court Building is not the cause of a failed government, failed courts, or a failed people - it is instead, the result of it.
I will do my best here not to preach a sermon or sound like a right-wing zealot, but no one can tell me what is 'offensive' about those ten rules that are, in reality, the foundation of what was American law. But that's ancient history. We are more 'enlightened' today.
Being the greatest and most powerful country on earth, we don't need silly rules such as those ten. No, we have government today - which has become the new god. And we have finally come to a point where there just isn't enough room on the Grand Stage for two gods. Thus, the courts have consistently ruled in recent days that the 'Other God' must go.
And so, what if God does leave? What if he actually said, "ok, you guys win - and you're on your own"? That would make us a better country, wouldn't it?
Of course. And when folks like Jerry Falwell makes a statement on September 11 implying the God has removed his protective hand from us, we won't have to chastise him - since it would have been true.
And after such tragedies, we won't have national days of prayer, and prayer sessions in Congress while grieving over the dead because there will be no God to pray to. We told Him to get lost, remember? No, let us bow our heads and pray (and pay homage) to the New god of government. They will protect us from now on, and provide for all of our needs.
Let's not sing God Bless America anymore, since we really don't want him to. That's George W. Bush's job now. And let's remove "In God We Trust" from our currency, since we really don't trust him anymore. We've placed our faith in our money supply to Alan Greenspan.
And when it comes to religious symbols, we do our best to protect those in the war zone of Iraq, while throwing our own in the trash.
Makes perfect sense to me.
Word has it that a guy named Moses had gotten these ten rules straight from God himself. Even though e-mail wasn't around back then, God somehow downloaded them on to a couple of stone tablets. When Moses came back down from that mountain and saw the folks that were led out of slavery acting like too many of us today, he threw the tablets down, and they were forced to wander in the desert for 40 years.
But today, in the more enlightened America, we don't have to wander in the desert. We have military personnel to do that for us. And little by little, more will go and wander as well. You see, we have a new god now, and the whole world has become a desert.
So if and when we are plagued with earthquakes, violent storms, endless droughts, brushfires, or just people going crazy and shooting their co-workers or schoolmates, we'll call them "Acts of God", then plead to our new god (government) for our protection from all of these things. Yes, this new god is more to our liking. We can pray, and if the new god doesn't deliver, we can just vote him out of office (federal judges not withstanding). That Old God wouldn't let us do that.
Isn't it ironic that if everyone simply followed those rules, it would make not only that 5300 pound rock, but that entire building itself - irrelevant?
With the polls showing upwards of 77% of Alabamians, and the vast majority of Americans supporting the Ten Commandments being displayed at the courthouse, people are scratching their heads wondering, "why can't they just do what the majority wants?"
Answer: Because we asked for this.
We have long since slipped away from those tenants - and it's reflected in the people in government that represent us, enforce the laws, and rule on the laws. Yes, America - we didn't get the kind of government we wanted, nor the kind we needed. We get the kind of government we deserve.
We have become so 'enlightened' that we don't even know how to respect or enforce our own sovereignty. Millions cross our national borders illegally, and our leaders don't even have the will to call it illegal. As a result, we will eventually lose at least 4 southwestern states. I have all but given up trying to make it an issue anymore. We deserve it.
We have become so 'enlightened' that the only criteria for any judge to sit on a bench, despite all the other important decisions they have to make, depends on his or her willingness to sanction the killing of the unborn. Fine. We didn't want them to take the phrase "Thou shall not kill" seriously, anyway.
We have become so 'enlightened' that we fight to protect retirement schemes that we know will go broke soon, but that's okay since we've decided to let our grandchildren pay the bill. Then again, if they have no respect for that "Honor thy Father and Mother" thing when they grow up, why should they bother taking care of us?
We are so 'enlightened' that we find it acceptable to act pre-emptive, killing anyone we see fit to keep us safe, if we think they are a threat. Make sense, since we don't want God's protection anymore. We have to live this way now. We have enemies all around us and even within us we are told - because they envy us. They don't have the new god that we have, and they're jealous.
Gay Bishops are in, Boy Scouts are out, and sodomy has become a civil right, protected by the Constitution somewhere. Okay, I get it. According to our new god, the oldest industry on earth (agriculture) has become the most dangerous to the environment. And we all know that with all the craziness in schools these days, the last thing we need is prayer inside those buildings. Good thing we threw God out of there a long time ago. Just look at how much schools have improved since then.
Yes, for government's sake - let's get those Ten Commandments out of public view before something good happens.
And while we're at it, let's get all those crosses out of Arlington Cemetery. It's public property, you know. And tell all of our troops fighting overseas that worship service is history, turn in those pocket Bibles and as a matter of fact, they must all be atheists in those foxholes.
Let's do it right: Let us all come to an agreement that when the Bill of Rights was passed, they had no respect for any god, despite the fact that the Constitutional Convention was opened and closed with a Prayer to Almighty God. To Congress: Fire that priest we pay with our tax dollars to open and close each session of Congress with Prayer. We have a new god now, remember?
And one more thing: Let's not support Israel anymore, since their presence in the holy land is based on scripture, and our government's support would represent an 'establishment of religion'.
Hey ACLU and SPLC: Wanna take THAT one on?
Now, as for those people who have dedicated themselves to prevent the monument's removal, and those who have rallied to the cause - take a good look at them. That's what's left of the American ideal that was founded over two centuries ago - like it or not.
Make no mistake about it. If it weren't for too many trips already taken this year, I'd be there myself from 2000 miles away. Who knows - if the standoff in Alabama lasts, I may still be there. If I lived anywhere in Dixie, I would be writing this article from Montgomery.
Would I suggest others go? Let's put it this way: You don't even have to be a Christian, Jew or even a Muslim. God knows none of us have lived up the standards of all those rules, but it you believe the Ten Commandments should REMAIN the foundation on which this country is based, then take a drive down to Montgomery. Your fellow Americans are waiting for you.
And what about you, Mr. Bush? The silence from the White House is deafening. Is this only a "state issue" where the federal government should not get involved? If that were the case, we wouldn't be in this mess. I would not only pray for protection of the Ten Commandments, but that the President, during his fund raising travels, make a stop in Montgomery to visit with the Chief Justice, or maybe the people standing vigilant outside.
Odds are, they all voted for George W. Bush.
You see America: There is no sense looking for a legal loophole to save the Ten Commandments anymore, as God has no legal standing left in today's courts, government, or much of society. But the way things look from my piece of the world, perhaps it's time we invited Him back.
Just my opinion,
J.J. Johnson
Then you have nothing to fear from the Ten Commandments posted prominently in court houses as long as the Judges do not use tham as legal precedent in their decisions contrary to their Constitutions they are sworn, to God, to uphold.
By the way, some day perhaps I'll get a chance to use your last name when I want to get a not so subtle point across. Spur just doesn't have the same effect.
Therefore President Bush should be impeached because he undoubtedly witnesses to his faith. Is that a correct interpretation of where you are at Spur?
What guarantee would I have as a Muslim citizen that a judge like Roy Moore, who has specifically stated that my rights are derived only from Judeo-Christianity (in his view), would not base his decision in my case on the first commandment, since he obviously considers my God a "strange God"?
The Constitutional Right of Habeas Corpus. It's all in there Sink.
Try actually pondering over and reasoning about some of the replies
to Your posts on this subject.......
Instead of Hastily posting the same lame rebuttals !
( for weeks on end )
That's what I'm saying........IS'NT IT ??
.....THUNDER......
Modern advertising and marketing is based on the encouraging the violation of this commandment.
Does he advocate Christianity, as Moore does, to the exclusion of other faiths? Or, has he not said that "Islam is a religion of peace"?
Bush is clearly a Christian, but is also clearly inclusive of all religions in his public utterances and actions.
Roy Moore is not.
Roy Moore has also proven that he has no respect for law, and as a Supreme Court Justice, that's despicable.
Stepped in it? Let's have a look at exactly how I've done that, hmmm?
However, I have several questions for you.
Considering how you completely missed the obvious point I made, I don't doubt that you do.
Where does the Constitution protect your right not to be offended?
It doesn't, and I have never claimed that it did. Strike one.
Where does the Constitution proscribe "media-storms ...blah,blah,blah?
It doesn't, and I never claimed that it did. Strike two.
And now for the big one, where does the Constitution create a Wall of Separation and who built it?
Yawn. That tired old canard. It doesn't, but that is irrelevant here, as the judge violated the Alabama state constitution as well. Strike three.
My senses tell me you are also a frog in the water pot enjoying the slow boil because you like the smell of frog stew. But I could be wrong.
My senses tell me that you just love eating crow, enjoying the cannibalism together with the rest of your crowd. Here, have a hanky. I think the crocodiles left a dry spot.
It's really himself, if you stop to think about it. He feels persecuted, so "God" must be persecuted as well. Interesting insight into his psychology.
I have. They're thoughtful, but unconvincing.
In case you hadn't noticed, I'm not the only person on this forum who thinks Roy Moore is full of it.
Well now you've changed your criteria and screeched a rolling 180 into the demonization of Judge Moore lane.
I'm not interested in going down that road again.
Cheers.
What part of the Alabama Constitution did Judge Moore violate?
......Well...... at Least
You're starting to get a Clue !
.....THUNDER......
Am I to understand you are an atheist who has studied the Bible?
When you post pedestrian, cartoonish rhetorical questions that have nothing to do with what was posted, I can see where you might misperceive answers to the same as less than substantive.
Try posting something even tangentially relevant to what you're responding to. It should clear that problem right up.
What part of the Alabama Constitution did Judge Moore violate?
SECTION 3
Religious freedom.
That no religion shall be established by law; that no preference shall be given by law to any religious sect, society, denomination, or mode of worship; that no one shall be compelled by law to attend any place of worship; nor to pay any tithes, taxes, or other rate for building or repairing any place of worship, or for maintaining any minister or ministry; that no religious test shall be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under this state; and that the civil rights, privileges, and capacities of any citizen shall not be in any manner affected by his religious principles.
No.
I'll leave you with this final thought:
A slave who loves his chains can not be freed.
Seems to me those who want religion expression sanctioned by the government are the ones infatuated with government.
A slave who loves his chains can not be freed.
That's totally appropos of nothing, but I recognize that cliche. It's not original with you.
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