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Crucifying Mel Gibson - a film called "The Passion"
Radiofree West Hartford ^
| August 23, 2003
| Alan Caruba
Posted on 08/24/2003 7:57:06 AM PDT by CtPoliticsGuy
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To: CtPoliticsGuy
Latin dominated the era in which Jesus lived because it was the language of the Romans whose empire... I think it was koine Greek, but what the heck.
To: CtPoliticsGuy
As a former West Hartfordite, I just love the name of Radio-Free West Hartford.
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08/24/2003 8:16:57 AM PDT
by
mlmr
(Today is the first day of the rest of the pie.)
To: CtPoliticsGuy
I have been tracking this movie carefully. It is completely benign and utterly powerful. For a trailer preview, see Quicktime clip at
http://www.passion-movie.com/images/ThePassion_hi.mov
The trailer has two spoken phrases: one in Latin by Pilate, and one in Aramaic by Jesus. It is much more powerful without distracting subtitles. BTW, The mysterious dark-eyed woman with accopanying snake is Lucifer, I found after some researching.
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08/24/2003 8:20:49 AM PDT
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friendly
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To: Agnes Heep
Latin dominated the era in which Jesus lived because it was the language of the Romans whose empire... I think it was koine Greek, but what the heck. Both wrong. The language of Jesus and the common Jewish people was neither Greek, nor Latin, nor Hebrew. It was something called Aramaic, the dominant language (99%) of the movie The Passion.
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08/24/2003 8:23:12 AM PDT
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To: CtPoliticsGuy
The author seems to say it won't matter if the film appears anti-semetic, only a few ADL members will really be upset.
My take is that a film like this demonstrates that evil (there's that word) exists in man, and such evil is not confined to one group or race, just as goodness is not. The message of Christ was to overcome evil in ourselves and challenge it in others, and self-sacrifice in doing this is the Christian way.
To: CtPoliticsGuy
Read the book. Can't wait to see the movie.
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posted on
08/24/2003 8:24:54 AM PDT
by
MaryFromMichigan
(If a man says something in the woods and there are no women there, is he still wrong?)
To: Tooters
Read the book. Can't wait to see the movie. LOL Very funny!
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08/24/2003 8:26:40 AM PDT
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friendly
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To: friendly
BTW, The mysterious dark-eyed woman with acompanying snake is Lucifer
Good Catch! I was wondering who that was. She is cast in some kind of blue filter or something that looks evil, but I wasn't sure.
It's sad to see so many people upset with this movie. Like flipping on a light switch at night and seeing the cockroaches freak out!
To: dagoofyfoot
Gibson is an absolute artistic purist and is a man possessed, believing completely in the project. I cannot wait to experience his work, his masterpiece, his labor of complete love.
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08/24/2003 8:42:14 AM PDT
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To: friendly
Both wrong. The language of Jesus and the common Jewish people was neither Greek, nor Latin, nor Hebrew. It was something called Aramaic, the dominant language (99%) of the movie The Passion. Aramaic was local; koine was the lingua franca of the Roman world, just as English is today, and Latin from the middle ages until recently.
To: friendly
I agree. I don't believe in representing history different because it might offend someone. Flaming anti-semetic behavior? We're talking about it, aren't we? If people are looking for a reason to voice their hate, they'll find it somewhere. As a Jew, I can't wait to see this movie.
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08/24/2003 9:14:56 AM PDT
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Hildy
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To: Hildy
"Jesus" BTW is Aramaic for "Joshua." Try that out next time on your friend Josh!
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08/24/2003 9:18:22 AM PDT
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To: CtPoliticsGuy
Where are all those first amendments fanatics now that Mel's movie is about to be released? How come Michael Moore can lie and get an academy award but if Mel tells the truth he's accused of stirring up anti-semitism?
Doesn't a person in this country have the right to make a movie without a permit?
To: Agnes Heep
Latin was the official language even in the east. That is why the Byzantines called themselves "Romans." The offical name of Constantinople was Nova Roma. Koine was the lingua franca as English is in Europe. Some form of Aramaic/Syriac was apoken throughout the Fertile Crescent, but if you were from Mesopotamia you probably couldn't order lunch in Nazareth. Even if you spoke what you thought was Greek, you still might not get it. "Accent," you know.
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08/24/2003 1:57:23 PM PDT
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RobbyS
To: RobbyS
Someone had mentioned before that greek was spoken by the Roman soldiers in that area at the time, but the Legionnaires assigned to accompany and guard the Roman governor spoke Latin
(speaking greek was supposedly distasteful because it was "barbaric").
To: Tooters
LOL
To: Johnbalaya
All Roman aristocracy was educated in Greek. Furthermore, many professional soldiers were of Greek origin so it is entirely possible that Greek was casually spoken, but all official communications was Latin.
To: Johnbalaya
I think these soldiers were from Gaul and that they were about as likely to speak local languages as are American soldiers in Japan.
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posted on
08/24/2003 2:37:31 PM PDT
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RobbyS
To: Natural Law
Generally Rome recuited soldiers locally, but not necessarily. Those with Pilate are supposed to have been from Gaul. What confuses the issue is that the soldiers who waged the wars against the Jews were locals, but that was because the Romans needed lots of boots on the ground. An honor guard is another matter altogether. But I think a lot of this misses the point. By having the Romans speak Latin and the Jews speak Aramaic, the writer provides dramatic contrast and at least some historic similitude. If all had spoken English, we would get just another Biblical spectacle.
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08/24/2003 2:46:54 PM PDT
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RobbyS
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