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I've heard of voodoo economics, but this is the first time I've ever encounterd cargo-cult autarky economics.

The world economy is here to stay. If you want to live in a world where cave men sell rocks to each other, you're free to move to North Korea and live under the joyful principles of ju-chi (self-reliance) at your convenience.

No why should you suggest to Race that he move to North Korea he is clearly not an internationalist or a Marxist as clearly anyone who subscribes to the current governing priciples of what is called Free Trade by its advoxates sometimes a the World Economy by otehr advocates or those who have not examined the deatils of what we are talking about.

Clearly if you had any positive evidence to provide of teh current trade policies providing a NET benefit you would provide that.

I for one would look forward to seeing sucvh evidence of a NET benefit but I am not going to be convinced by any arguments of the like that we saev a couple of cents on every washclosth sold so that is good for consummers so teh rest of teh economy be damned. I would like sound and rational reasons why national policy should allow any Chinese access to American markets whatsoever given their current policies.

You posit an utterly false dichotomy.

As for your remark about Detroit, the Detroit of 1960 was a nice place. The post-deindustrialization Detroit of today is not. In fact, none of the cities of the Northeast have recovered from deindustrialization. When the factory closed, the supply chain of firms that fed it collapsed. A high tech firm, on the other hand, needs only phone lines. Financial services could not replace the jobs lost when the factories closed.

And you ignore a key result of the destruction of those low-semi skilled stable jobs. A huge and growing underclass as it is impossible to work your way out of the ghetto the way the Italians and Irish did. The explosive growth of vice industries such as stripping, porn, and gambling in a world where labor is cheap, life is cheap, and flesh is cheap. A pervasive culture of violence and depravity in urban America as honest labor and deferred gratification are not rewarded but crime and hustling are.

Pat Buchanan sees where free trade is taking America. Somewhere like Brazil where the well off live behind walls and everyone else treads water.

I've heard of voodoo economics, but this is the first time I've ever encounterd cargo-cult autarky economics.

Just look at those who say low tariffs are good for us and you will clearly get an example of some of the most illogical twisted thinking onteh planet that is unless of course one is a Marxist.

I've heard of voodoo economics, but this is the first time I've ever encounterd cargo-cult autarky economics. The world economy is here to stay.

Soviet Communists were saying the same - the Soviet system "is here to stay" ("you cannot stop the progress"). So where is the Soviet system now, Mr. Jones?! Where is it, huh?

The outsourcing and "export" of jobs is based on four assumptions:

1. American consumers will be able to buy the output of outsourced production with reduced wages

2. The property rights of owners will be respected even if the most of manufacturing base will be in China or India and no regulation/expropriation/nationalisation will happen over there.

3. American dollars will retain its value even with the huge deficit.

4. American workers will accept meekly the collapse of their status or they will be supressed in Latin American style.

Free traders think that Argentinian model or Dickensian England is the ideal and that Switzerland will give them permanent visas if things go wrong.

The hate America First Free Traitor Division Apparatchik speaks:I've heard of voodoo economics, but this is the first time I've ever encounterd cargo-cult autarky economics.

What amazing rebuttal! Just come up with cheap shots and insults and you don't have to do any thinking of justification for the subversion you wish to see.

The world economy is here to stay.

Another amazingly stupid comment. Is that Dot Com economy still with us or has that moved on? How about the great Asian Tiger, wern't they in deep financial trouble in the late 1990's? And South America's economies? They all change. The world economy is remarkably different each decade, and yet you just mouth off "The world economy is here to stay." Yeah sure.

If you want to live in a world where cave men sell rocks to each other, you're free to move to North Korea and live under the joyful principles of ju-chi (self-reliance) at your convenience.

Why move? You and your Hate America First cabal are fighting to bring it to our doorstep. China and India enjoy high tariffs and great growth. The united States is selling herself like a cheap two-bit whore, except we really arent selling ourselves as much as we are just giving it away, or in many cases paying other nations to have their way with us. But I am sure that you are relishing the day when America and the freedom she represents will be some tattered whore lying near death in some Chinese gutter.