To: Ronly Bonly Jones
You posit an utterly false dichotomy.
As for your remark about Detroit, the Detroit of 1960 was a nice place. The post-deindustrialization Detroit of today is not. In fact, none of the cities of the Northeast have recovered from deindustrialization. When the factory closed, the supply chain of firms that fed it collapsed. A high tech firm, on the other hand, needs only phone lines. Financial services could not replace the jobs lost when the factories closed.
And you ignore a key result of the destruction of those low-semi skilled stable jobs. A huge and growing underclass as it is impossible to work your way out of the ghetto the way the Italians and Irish did. The explosive growth of vice industries such as stripping, porn, and gambling in a world where labor is cheap, life is cheap, and flesh is cheap. A pervasive culture of violence and depravity in urban America as honest labor and deferred gratification are not rewarded but crime and hustling are.
Pat Buchanan sees where free trade is taking America. Somewhere like Brazil where the well off live behind walls and everyone else treads water.
To: Tokhtamish
...Detroit of 1960 was a nice place. The post-deindustrialization Detroit of today is not. In fact, none of the cities of the Northeast have recovered from deindustrialization. When the factory closed, the supply chain of firms that fed it collapsed... ...And you ignore a key result of the destruction of those low-semi skilled stable jobs. A huge and growing underclass as it is impossible to work your way out of the ghetto...
Thank you for posting that. I grew up in Detroit. Same problem with Flint. (And I'm sure with many other cities).
You are correct about the large and growing underclass.
The loss of these industrial jobs has ment that people in our country with a moderate education don't have a chance of making enough to support a family.
When it's just people who don't want to work and just want to get high and party are the ones left out, no big loss.
But when you have to have an advanced degree or some set of unique technical skills in order to support a family, that's going to leave a lot of average Americans unable to properly raise a family.
That forces the rest of us to pay the costs of these broken families - in social services, welfare, police, the criminal justice system, etc.
We are being forced to sacifice our families and lifestyle (which includes our traditions and freedoms) so that other countries, whose people are not nearly as free as us, will benefit.
I don't think that "Free Trade" with a government that treats it's citizens like China does is a good deal. At least make them adhere to some standards of how they treat their workers / citizens.
To: Tokhtamish
You have obviously never been to Detroit. The Detroit of 1960 still exists; it just moved north 15 miles or so, to the burbs. Just because the core city rotted under a racist Marxist mayor doesn't mean that the city died or that the industry left; it simply moved, and, scattered among 20 or so suburbs, it supports twice the people it did in 1960.
To: Tokhtamish
The explosive growth of vice industries such as stripping, porn, and gambling in a world where labor is cheap, life is cheap, and flesh is cheap. A pervasive culture of violence and depravity in urban America as honest labor and deferred gratification are not rewarded but crime and hustling are. What was the name of the musical about between-wars Germany?
Well, now it could be called Detroit...
51 posted on
08/23/2003 3:20:05 PM PDT by
ninenot
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