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Why Moving to India Won't Really Help IT
I, Cringely ^ | August 7, 2003 | Robert X. Cringely

Posted on 08/22/2003 9:19:13 AM PDT by Snuffington

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Why Moving to India Won't Really Help IT

By Robert X. Cringely


There was a story in the news a couple weeks ago about how IBM was planning to move thousands -- perhaps tens of thousands -- of technical positions to India.  This isn't just IBM, though.  Nearly every big company that is in the IT outsourcing or software development business is doing or getting ready to do the same thing.  They call this "offshoring," and its goal is to save a lot of money for the companies involved because India is a very cheap place to do business.  And it will accomplish that objective for awhile.  In the long run, though, IT is going to have the same problems in India that it has here.  The only real result of all this job-shifting will be tens of thousands of older engineers in the U.S. who will find themselves working at Home Depot.  You see, "offshoring" is another word for age discrimination.



India is a great place for high-tech.  I visited Bangalore in 1997, and wrote a column about it that appeared right here.  You can find a link to that column under the "I Like It!" button on this page.  Somehow all my 1997 columns seem to have disappeared from the archive, but I found the original (it also appears -- stolen -- here and there on the web) and will attempt to insert it in the archive.  Wish me luck!

That column stands up very well and explains why India is such a great place for inexpensive software development.  When I visited Bangalore, the era of "bodyshopping" was ending and "offshoring" was just getting started.  Bodyshopping meant bringing to the U.S. engineers from India and other third world countries.  They worked on short term visas, stayed together in crowded apartments, sent nearly all their money home to their families, and were paid paupers' wages by Silicon Valley standards.  But offshoring is even better because it leverages not just cheaper labor, but a cheaper business infrastructure.  Generally speaking, about six engineers can be employed in India for the cost of one non-Indian engineer in the U.S.



Moving technical groups to India is compelling for many reasons.  There seems to be a limitless supply of good engineers in India, which will save lots of money in the short term.  And those Indian workers will save lots of money in the long term, too, because they are generally younger to start with and their health and retirement benefits cost far less (if anything) compared to the benefits received by the U.S. workers being displaced. 

If a U.S. employer said out loud, "Gosh, we have a lot of 50-something engineers who are going to kill us with their retirement benefits so we'd better get rid of a few thousand," they would be violating a long list of labor and civil rights laws.  But if they say, "Our cost of doing business in the U.S. is too high, so we'll be moving a few thousand jobs to India," that's just fine -- even though it means exactly the same thing.

There is somewhere in almost every company a spreadsheet showing a cost-benefit analysis for every worker.  It all comes down to a single lifetime number that is the difference between the expected earnings to the corporation that are made possible by the direct labor of that employee, and the total cost of that employee to the company in current wages and future benefits.  Nobody admits the existence of this spreadsheet, which is probably illegal, but it is there.  And at some point, it indicates in many cases that a worker has reached a condition where they are likely to cost the company more in future benefits than they will earn the company through future labor.  At that moment, that employee becomes expendable.  Forget that the business situation could change, altering the numbers.  Forget that the employee, if he knew his job was in peril, might take action to improve his productivity. 

Forget that the negative number could easily be the result of a management error or misstep, and have nothing to do with the employee's effort.  Forget that the calculation could be just plain wrong.  No matter what happened to get the company and the worker to that place, it is in the interest of the company to get rid of the employee as soon as possible.

Older workers tend to make more money because they are in senior positions or have been with the company longer.  They are closer to retirement so they have less time to earn, and are closer to receiving retirement benefits that only cost the firm money.  They simply have to go, no matter what the law says, and companies find ways to help older employees leave.

From a typical employer's perspective, the perfect situation would be to have few, if any, retirement benefits, have employees remain with the company an average of five to seven years, and maintain the lowest possible average employee age in, say, the late 20s.  If that sounds like Microsoft, it also sounds like every other high-tech company of note except perhaps IBM, which is where we came into this room.

So costs are out of line, that hidden spreadsheet is going berserk, and the best way out of this mess is to close a few divisions and ship the work to India.  Even taking into account the logistical problems of having workers halfway around the world, costs of doing the same work will drop by 50 to 75 percent, with that savings dropping to the bottom line.  Profits will skyrocket and Wall Street will be pleased.



But except for the numbers, nothing will have really changed.

I started in the computer business at Apple, and one of the statistics of which the company was most proud in those early days was how much revenue was generated per employee.  Typically, it was in the range of $500,000 to $700,000, which was pretty amazing.  I can recall Apple's first $1 billion year, and we had fewer than 2,000 employees at the time.  The numbers at IBM back then were much lower, with $40 billion spread over more than 400,000 employees for an average of just under $100,000 per head.  Figuring that the average IBM worker even back then was costing, say, $60,000 in wages and benefits, that left less than $40,000 per worker for capital expenditures, raw materials, consultants, advertising, company jets, and oh, profit.

In many ways, IBM is a different company than it was back then, but revenue per employee has barely budged.  But it is not just IBM.  Every big IT company is the same way, especially if services are a large component of what they sell.  IBM, EDS, Accenture, they are all the same.  And the reason they are the same is that these companies tend to think of their business in terms of billable hours.  Yes, IBM also makes computers, but recently, they have made more money from billable hours than from building boxes.



Big IT companies think in terms of billable hours, and the way to maximize billable hours is by having lots of workers.  Headcount is everything.  It not only determines potential revenue, it also determines political power.  If my division is bigger (has more people) than your division, I am more powerful you, you worm.

Since the start of the PC revolution, Information Technology has come to pervade the enterprise.  Every desk has a computer, and every computer has a technician.  A few years ago, experts started noticing that the productivity gains we expected for our MULTI TRILLION DOLLAR investment weren't coming through.  "Next year," said the Chief Information Officer on his way to hiring a bunch of new people. "Next year."  Only next year never comes.

The truth is that IT has led to many changes in the way we do business, and some of those changes are obvious improvements, but the success story is dragged down by the heaviness of the capital and labor investment required.   If we save a head in accounting by adding a head in IT, are there any real savings?  Certainly, there is in the eyes of IT management, because their power is enhanced by this scenario.  Going beyond that, I'd say for the most part they don't really care.  Considered in terms of Total Cost of Ownership, IT in large organizations is a train wreck.



Which brings us back to India and offshoring.  So IBM and a number of other companies will send jobs to India.  Profits will rise, but no head counts will drop.  Head count will rise, in fact, because the heads are so much cheaper.  Productivity for these offshoring companies will not rise.  It will fall.  It will fall simply because of the added overhead to support those longer information supply lines.  And service to customers will not improve at all.

It is not that moving jobs to India is so bad, though I hate the weasel behavior behind some of it. It is simply pointless. 

What is needed, instead, is a new approach that diminishes the role of headcount in corporate power.

I am not talking about switching the orientation from headcount to costs.  I am talking abut switching from headcount AND costs to true productivity -- getting the work done and the customer served as efficiently as possible.  And this comes entirely down to hiring. It is not who you get rid of, but whom you keep.

Just as an example, there are programmers who are a hundred or a thousand times more productive than their coworkers, and every Silicon Valley startup is constantly on the lookout for that kind of genius.  Those people work in big companies, too, but their impact is muted.  What manager at any big company would trade 100 workers for one, no matter how smart the one?  No manager would do that, and yet they should.  Power and efficiency are in conflict here.  And that's why we can scale up the software and the hardware, gaining efficiencies along the way, but we don't do that with people.  It's not that we can't, we just don't.  It is a disservice to customers and a drag on earnings.  There is no rational justification at all for this headcount mentality, yet it still exists.



Productivity is producing more with fewer resources, usually with fewer people.  It’s all about simplification, reducing or eliminating labor, improving tools, locking in on a standard approach and being smart about changes.  Is this what IBM and others are doing?  When was the last time a systems management product like Tivoli or OpenView really reduced IT labor?  The IT business model is based on bodies.  To improve profitability they are looking for cheaper bodies.  They can't envision a business model where they can do more with fewer bodies.  IBM has invested hundreds of millions in tools for its services division. Very, very little of it actually reduces the labor IBM needs to support a customer.  This mindset is what is damaging the U.S. IT industry.



Ironically, there lies here an enormous opportunity for someone.  An organization of talented people that can get its collective head around this problem and begin to see its industry, its work, and its goals in a different way will have a terrific advantage.   IBM and companies like it are vulnerable.

And moving jobs to India won't change that.





TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: freetrade; india; it; offshoring; outsourcing
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To: Snuffington
Our company is a good example of this. We started with a 130 person company designing and producing imbedded guidance computers for agriculture.

We've since been pared down to about 30 people, loosing the chaff along the way. The hardware/software design team is only about 6 people, is highly skilled, and quite old, that has the ability to do almost anything.

There have been efforts to hire "cheap" people in a branch office in Canada to take over some of the technical work from us expensive americans. But the results have been a disaster, with a one month project stretched to two years, with the results finally having to be brought back to the US for one of the expensive americans to bail it out. But they still haven't learned, and the "cheap" technical person is still working, and still not producing anything of value.

In the mean time, the company can't get rid of any of us, lest they be completly lost (although, don't put it past them to do it anyway).

21 posted on 08/22/2003 9:59:12 AM PDT by narby
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To: daviddennis
I'm an extreme example of this - our company runs a web-based CRM system that I developed for them using one (1) employee, namely me. When things are needed, I build them. When something needs to be fixed, I fix it. And I did the whole thing from scratch. It took about a year to fully get into operation (but benefits were started around three months into that).

I developed an MCIF system for a large bank, working for their vendor. It was me and occassional a couple of othe programmers. When the bank later took it in-house, it took 20 people.

22 posted on 08/22/2003 10:00:52 AM PDT by dirtboy (Arnold's positions are like the alien in Predator - you can't see them but you know they're lethal)
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To: Snuffington
The only defense aganst the rush to offshoring is to get into 'defense' work.

In the defense world, not even subcontractors can be offshore entities due to security concerns.


BUMP

23 posted on 08/22/2003 10:25:31 AM PDT by tm22721 (May the UN rest in peace)
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To: Snuffington
Ironically, there lies here an enormous opportunity for someone. An organization of talented people that can get its collective head around this problem and begin to see its industry, its work, and its goals in a different way will have a terrific advantage. IBM and companies like it are vulnerable.

Not sure what you agree with in this statement as it says nothing.

I am part of an ESOP IT Consulting company. The 5 of us decided early that one of our goals was to protect the business we were servicing. The Indians cannot do this today...tho they may be able to in the future. We decided we needed a blend of product and services. We have accomplished this goal...weighing toward the product side.

We have NO overhead, no debt and are privately owned with now 70 employees. We are light, fast, mobile, responsive and not greedy. We have a mix of expertise from mainframe to PC to Web. We have a mix of technical and business expertise. We generally charge rates not seen since the 80's.

No matter how much value we provide (you will usually be getting more than you asked/contracted for)..CFO's see the short-term dollar savings using Indians. It's too bad, cause when the announcement "cleanup in aisle 8" is made...if we choose to take on the assignment, the rate will be substantially more than one from the 80's
24 posted on 08/22/2003 10:49:19 AM PDT by stylin19a (is it vietnam yet ?)
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To: Snuffington
The communication hit you take offshoring is not nearly as small as the current bean-counters are estimating.

Exactly. And the #1 reason software projects fail is poor communication. Good gravy, has no one in management ever read "The Mythical Man-Month" by Frederick Brooks?

25 posted on 08/22/2003 10:58:10 AM PDT by kevkrom (This tag line for rent)
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To: Snuffington
If a U.S. employer said out loud, "Gosh, we have a lot of 50-something engineers who are going to kill us with their retirement benefits so we'd better get rid of a few thousand," they would be violating a long list of labor and civil rights laws.

Those laws were passed in a bygone age in which it would be unthinkable for American companies to "outsource" jobs overseas.

The current regulation is heavily lopsided and the odds are stacked against the aging American professional, IMHO, by a combination of high technology, outsourcing policy, and selective regulation.

Because of the selectivity of the regulation, the effect of free trade policy is to degrade the American work environment. What good are domestic employment regulations (eg workplace safety, environmental protection, retirement benefits) if one's job can be outsourced offshore on a moment's notice?

26 posted on 08/22/2003 11:09:31 AM PDT by SteveH
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To: stylin19a
Not sure what you agree with in this statement as it says nothing.

It probably depends on your perspective. To someone working for a company in the school-girl crush phase of offshoring, it's an important and relevant statement.

27 posted on 08/22/2003 8:26:35 PM PDT by Snuffington
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To: Snuffington
This is the part I liked.

"There is somewhere in almost every company a spreadsheet showing a cost-benefit analysis for every worker. It all comes down to a single lifetime number that is the difference between the expected earnings to the corporation that are made possible by the direct labor of that employee, and the total cost of that employee to the company in current wages and future benefits. Nobody admits the existence of this spreadsheet, which is probably illegal, but it is there. And at some point, it indicates in many cases that a worker has reached a condition where they are likely to cost the company more in future benefits than they will earn the company through future labor. At that moment, that employee becomes expendable. Forget that the business situation could change, altering the numbers. Forget that the employee, if he knew his job was in peril, might take action to improve his productivity.

Forget that the negative number could easily be the result of a management error or misstep, and have nothing to do with the employee's effort. Forget that the calculation could be just plain wrong. No matter what happened to get the company and the worker to that place, it is in the interest of the company to get rid of the employee as soon as possible."

Too true. As Stevenson pointed out, "Fifteen men on a dead man's chest, yo ho ho and a bottle of rum."

28 posted on 08/23/2003 12:28:07 AM PDT by Iris7 ("..the Eternal Thompson Gunner.." - Zevon)
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To: harpseal
ping
29 posted on 08/23/2003 12:32:01 AM PDT by dennisw (G_d is at war with Amalek for all generations)
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To: Snuffington; clamper1797; sarcasm; BrooklynGOP; A. Pole; Zorrito; GiovannaNicoletta; Caipirabob; ...
Ping

On or off this list let me know.
30 posted on 08/23/2003 7:36:07 AM PDT by harpseal (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown)
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To: Snuffington
Regarding this articles point IMHO if we make the business envirornment better in the USA and the full actual costs of teh offshoring policies clear then the management may actually make a correct decision. Of course one must never uderestimate the power of stupidity in management decisions.

So in an erfort to try to get a sane trade policy perhaps we can get enough people to send the following plan to the polidiots and we can start to get on track againg.


In no particular order of importance.

1. Get rid of government subsidies for offshore investment of US companies. OPIC is the first such program which should go but support of World Bank programs that subsidize the outflow of Capital would be another.

2. Use tariffs on those nations which are engaged in unfair trade practices such as currency manipulation (China and India for example), those nations which refuse to open their markets to US products (China for example with its 50% tariffs on US consumer goods and non tariff barriers), those nations that subsidize competition to American Industry (airbus for example) and those nations which have slave conditions for their workers.

3. Use tariffs and other means to prevent the relocation of jobs offshore that are essential to the national defense. If necessary take control of the company seeking to export vital technology or industry by means of eminent domain (No I do not like this last option and I will only defend its use as an absolute last resort like say in the case of rare earth magnets essential to smart bomb technology). Provide a hardened, widely distributed infrastructure to supply all that is needed for our military units and civil defense that can be continued to be deployed in the event of any military attack.

4. An immediate end to guest worker programs. If people wish to come to the USA to work and make a life let them immigrate according to the rules.

5 Provide economic development zones where the corporate income tax is zero for operations within these zones. In order to operate in this zone a company must agree to only purchase American components if available and employ only American citizens or legal immigrants in these operations. These economic development zones shall be eventually be expanded to include every bit of every state once the benefits are shown I would like them to be totally implemented immediately but I realize4 that may be overreaching.

6. Scale back unnecessary regulation including the tort system. Institute a cap on punitive damages, limits on class action suits, and limits on liability to the actual percentage of liability with no plaintiff able to collect if said plaintiff was involved in the commission of a felony at the time of the alleged tort or was more than 49% negligent in the alleged tort. Note that the loser in a frivolous lawsuit shall pay the attorney fees of the winner. There are many other regulatory structures that also need to be included that need to be included such as repealing the Family leave mandate, getting rid of OSHA etc.

7. Increase the domestic content in purchases by the Department of defense and give absolute preference in non-domestic content to proven allies of the USA over say the French or Germans. The only reason any content for DOD purchase may come from non US allies is that content is not available elsewhere and is essential.

8. Do not allow expense involved in moving operations overseas to be included in business expenses under the IRS code.

9. Prosecute for perjury anyone who has made a false statement in order to employ an H1B or L1 visa worker. I will be lenient on the actual perjurer if he/she was ordered to make this false statement and he/she provides testimony to aid in the conviction of the person ordering the perjury. Just because a person is a CEO does not give them a pass on criminal behavior.

10. Prosecute anyone who orders the transfer of vital defense technology or funds a R&D project that could be of use to our military overseas except to strong allies of the USA. Make the necessary enhancements to our espionage laws so that continued support or funding of any R&D in a nation whose government has threatened the USA is guilty of espionage. The UK and Australia come to mind as meeting these criteria for being eligible for transfer of technology first. There will be other nations and a gradation of what can be transferred to which specific nation. Under no circumstances may technology be transferred to any nation whose government has threatened the USA within five years without a complete change of government or specific exemption from Congress and the administration.

11. Deport all illegal aliens immediately and take measures that prevent the entry of any more illegal aliens. Fine all companies knowingly employing illegal aliens Criminal sanctions should be imposed on anyone helping an illegal alien stay in the USA in violation of our laws.

12. Decrease the punishing levels of taxation on companies and eliminate the double taxation on corporate dividends. See effects of item 5 for how minimal this will be if item 5 covers the entire USA. Eliminate all IRS provisions that inhibit free use of independent contractors by businesses for example section 1706.

13. Eliminate the minimum wage so that the worker can be paid based on productivity. Overtime compensation will remain the same but instead of 150% of the "wage" the worker would receive 150% of the production pay. If one through 13 are enacted # 14 becomes an irrelevancy as no one will be working for that low a wage.

Now since I started posting this plan another idea has come up that in my opinion is a very good policy that stands on its own. Now I give credit to Jim Gibson and Freeper Ed_in_NJ for coming up with the idea, separately to the best of my knowledge. However I can be corrected on that. The tariff phrasing is from Jim Gibson.

“I suggest that the US Customs Department charge a $1,000-per-container inspection fee on every container entering the United States. This fee would be used to completely fund the cost of inspections. If we assumed that a four-man team could fully inspect two containers a day or about 500 per year, it would require 48,000 inspectors. Allowing for at least 2,000 support personnel, we would need at least 50,000 workers. Because these workers would require high intelligence and skill levels they should earn at least $30 per hour. At 40-hour weeks plus benefits, I estimate the cost per worker to be over $75,000 per year, all paid by the foreign manufacturers. Even so, this would still leave over $2.25 billion to cover all other costs. Any revenue not used would be used to compensate American workers displaced by foreign imports. “

I urge and encourage everyone who agrees with this plan and or the terror tariff idea to communicate this to every politician you can think of.


31 posted on 08/23/2003 7:42:24 AM PDT by harpseal (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown)
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To: Steely Tom
...At the same time, the need for large numbers of these people has vastly increased...

Then why have they all been fired?
32 posted on 08/23/2003 7:44:07 AM PDT by the gillman@blacklagoon.com
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To: Iris7
There is somewhere in almost every company a spreadsheet showing a cost-benefit analysis for every worker

He doesn't really believe this does he?

33 posted on 08/23/2003 7:46:07 AM PDT by riri
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To: SteveH
Because of the selectivity of the regulation, the effect of free trade policy is to degrade the American work environment.

Now just what is Free Trade about India's 2nd highest tariffs in the world?

What good are domestic employment regulations (eg workplace safety, environmental protection, retirement benefits) if one's job can be outsourced offshore on a moment's notice?

See the attached plan for getting a better investment climate in the USA and ending the insanity. let us go for a sane trade policy instead of the current unfree, unfar, and unamercan trade policy mistakenly referred to as Free Trade.

34 posted on 08/23/2003 7:46:08 AM PDT by harpseal (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown)
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To: Snuffington
Managers pushing offshoring should be forced to read The Mythical Man-Month, and to think about the fact that the communications paths that are the basis of that book are operating at about 30% efficiency when the two nodes are separated by 10 time zones and a culture and language difficulties.
35 posted on 08/23/2003 7:47:56 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (this space intentionally blank)
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To: kevkrom
Hadn't seen your post when I made mine just above. Great minds and all that.
36 posted on 08/23/2003 7:50:23 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (this space intentionally blank)
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To: EdReform
read later...
37 posted on 08/23/2003 7:52:08 AM PDT by EdReform (Support Free Republic - Become a Monthly Donor)
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To: FreedomPoster
from the article:
[You see, "offshoring" is another word for age discrimination.]

The Mythical Man-Month predates the employees still working. They probably never heard of it.

The last I heard, the class action suit against Sun for age discrimination failed, although it seemed like a straight-forward case.
38 posted on 08/23/2003 8:55:33 AM PDT by LibertyAndJusticeForAll
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To: Steely Tom
If DaVinci or Gallileo were alive today, they'd look at the tools we have at our fingertips and say "Why aren't you all rich?"

By 16th-century European standards, all Americans are extremely rich. Even the ones on welfare.

39 posted on 08/23/2003 9:50:13 AM PDT by Paul Ross (A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master, and deserves one!-A. Hamilton)
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To: Hop A Long Cassidy
when design is moved along with programming

I can almost see sending programming tasks offshore once the design is done, with exceedingly tight controls and excellent, clear documentation. I have, in fact, written several tasks from such documentation.

But he who sends both functions to India might as well jump into a woodchipper. Just my opinion, of course.

40 posted on 08/23/2003 6:09:50 PM PDT by Marauder (If you drink, don't drive; don't even putt.)
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