"An Eye for An Eye....Until the Whole World is Blind"---(The Cancer Among Us)

08/21/03 | redrock

[Jeff Head]

You are very welcome my friend.

[anymouse]

Gandhi would not have succeeded had the British not restrained themselves by the rule of law.

Civil disobedience does not work when implemented towards an uncivil oppressor. In the mindset of uncivil people, civil negotiations are a non-starter - in fact to do so would be a sign of weakness.

When a civilized people face a brutal enemy, they should exercize "Queensbury Rules" (boxing) at their own peril.

Better to exercise the "Platnum Rule*" rather than the "Golden Rule**."

* Platnum Rule - Do unto others as they do unto you.

** Golden Rule - Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

Marytrs usually don't have sons to write about how nobel they were.

[M Kehoe]

Good read.

But I don't believe the rest of the world is going to give them much more time.

Methinks the time for killing them is now. And in large numbers.

5.56mm

[redrock]

"The fact that the Muslim world, until recently, has not enjoyed large-scale access to weapons of mass destruction (nuclear/chemical/biological) has represented a reprieve, of sorts, for Israel."

And for the rest of the world.

But now they DO have that access.

And they continue to have the hatred of everything they see.

redrock

[redrock]

"Methinks the time for killing them is now. And in large numbers."

That end seems to be drifting closer and closer...as the only answer to the problem.

redrock

[redrock]

"It is time for us to tell the Palestinians, "Stop the bombing now, because the next time you kill an American, there will be U.S. troops coming to kick down your door, and they will make the Israelis look like little fuzzy little lambs."

Could not agree more.

redrock

[redrock]

Thanks.

How are things in your neck of the woods??

redrock

[blackie]

Hi Redrock, things are great here ... we're going to fight the big state income tax increase!

How is your wonderful family?

Be Ever Vigilant!

[redrock]

Family is doing fine. We'll be in your area around October for a week of laying on the beach and doing my best imitation of a beached whale.

me

[aruanan]

"An Eye for An Eye....Until the Whole World is Blind" Gandhi

Gandhi. What a dopey, sanctimonious little prick. He didn't have any trouble advocating violence when it suited his purposes (see Richard Grenier's The Gandhi Nobody Knows). Besides, Gandhi's quote just underscores one more area of his amazingly profound ignorance. An eye for an eye doesn't represent barbarism; it represented a giant step forward in law--it limited punishment. Following its precepts, no one could be meted out a punishment greater than the crime he committed. This is something that even England in the 1800's didn't live up to since one could be put to death for theft. The U.S. still doesn't today (look at asset forfeiture laws for just one example). And in India, if you were a widow, even in Gandhi's time, you were often thrown onto your dead husband's funeral pyre whether you liked it or not.

[redrock]

Sorry you don't like Gandhi..(which I believe is due to a wrong evaluation of the Mahatma)..but you can't please every idiot in every situation every time...can you????

Have a nice time.....

redrock

[aruanan]

This isn't to say, though, that you weren't pretty much spot on about the Muslim world. The key to understanding it is to realize that they represent an irruption into the present of what was everyday life for most of the ancient world (though with the addition of cell phones and bombs).

Sorry you don't like Gandhi..(which I believe is due to a wrong evaluation of the Mahatma)..but you can't please every idiot in every situation every time...can you????

I don't like Gandhi because he was unbelievably ignorant, stupendously arrogant (but what else could you expect given the combination of his gender and ethnicity?), entirely ad hoc and self-centered in his morality and views on violence, and a weasally little perv (he liked to help his teenaged girl attendants toward spiritual greatness by giving them enemas). He helped return India to the violence and religious bigotry that have characterized most of its history. Those who watched the Oscar-winning Gandhi infomercial paid for by the Indian government or other forms of hagiographic propaganda generally come away with the intended effect (ie, "...which I believe is due to a wrong evaluation of the Mahatma"). The only thing great about Gandhi is the degree to which the world has been deceived about what he was really like. But then there are still people who think both Bill and Hillary Clinton are saints too.

[blackie]

That's perfect ... if you have time, let's get together ... I sent you a FR e-mail with the particulars. :)