Hurrah for Judge Moore! If the 10 Commandments Are not Worth Defending, What Is?

Comte de Maistre

[ComtedeMaistre]

Some conservatives do not realize what is at stake in this 10 Commandments battle. Americans have protested more vigorously over taxes, busing, quotas, and other issues, over the past 3 decades, than they have protested against the anti-faith assaults of the past decade.

What Judge Moore is fighting for, is about who we are as a people, and whether we are proud or ashamed of the Christian values on which this nation was founded. The Supremes (especially the spineless Justice Kennedy), ducked this issue, because it would cost them of the respectability they need to get invitations to those fancy parties in Georgetown.

I saw Judge Moore speaking on TV today, and he reminded me of Ronald Reagan at the Berlin Wall in 1987. Just as Reagan opposed the wall, a symbol of godless communism, Judge Moore is opposing godless court rulings imposing state-sponsored atheism as America's official religion. In my mind, I picture Judge Moore telling that nutty feminist who heads the ACLU, "Ms. Nadine Strossen, tear down this wall of anti-Christian hatred"!

[Byron_the_Aussie]

..either the Federal government has a dog in this fight or not...

Surely Mr Bush can comment, on a topical subject like this?

I know President Reagan would have.

[Byron_the_Aussie]

..sorry, Byron, I've always felt that, as a matter of law, Judge Moore had no case...

...and that is the problem, my friend. You are trained, by virtue of your profession, to see both sides of an argument. The pros, and the cons, the pluses and minuses in the argument of both sides. How could any criminal defence lawyer sleep at night without making these rationalisations? But when that mindset extends into issues of right and wrong it cripples decisiveness. I think your comments on this issue should be prefaced with something like "I am a lawyer. My income and my mental wellbeing depends on viewing right and wrong as relative. Judge Moore acting on principle is a slap in the face to my mindset and only when his motives are first impugned can I feel on familiar ground."

Whaddya think?

[Luis Gonzalez]

In other words, Federal involvement when you want Federal involvement?

You're one of those one-sided-wall types, aren't you?

"I know President Reagan would have"

[Luis Gonzalez]

"Whaddya think?"

I think that being principled and all, you should have addressed his point, and not attacked him as an individual.

It would just seem like the Christian thing to do.

[Byron_the_Aussie]

..in other words, Federal involvement when you want Federal involvement?...

....I want moral involvement, from the highest office in the land.

Why is that such a big request?

[MatthewViti]

Very shortly...I can see the demise of life as we know it in my lifetime.

[MatthewViti]

I'm wondering what Bush thinks of this too. Why can't he show some guts and say he's all for Moore? Either he supports him or he doesn't! I'm sick of this wishy washy compassionate crap.

[Luis Gonzalez]

No, you want moral involvement that's in line with your stance on this issue.

In effect, the Federal Court, and the rest of the Justices in Alabama have already taken a moral stance, you just don't agree with it.

[Luis Gonzalez]

Has it crossed your mind that the people who we elect, if they are indeed principled and moral, have a mandate to obey and uphold even those laws they do not agree with?

[thtr]

Even though I think Judge Moore is on the wrong side in this fight I think there is a way for him to save face. That is to have the monument removed and replaced with a new monument that attests to the fact that here once stood a monument depicting the 10 Commandments which was removed under the orders of Judge so-and-so and supported by the Alabama Supreme Court (name the justices) and abandoned by the US Supreme Court.

This, I think will have more impact than the original monument and would be free from government intervention.

[Byron_the_Aussie]

..it would just seem like the Christian thing to do...

Well, maybe that was a bit rough. But I've never seen a case where the moral issues are clearer. How Freepers of your stature can assuage your consciences with sophistry and legalese on this one bloody well amazes me.

[SedVictaCatoni]

Once upon a time he would be there, striking like lightning, post one, or two, impugning Moore, scorning his supporters, there was wit there was invective, there was commitment.

... and then the federal district court agreed with us, and the 11th Circuit agreed with us, and the US Supreme Court agreed with us, and the Alabama Supreme Court agreed with us, and the Alabama Attorney General agreed with us. Not much else left to say at this point. :-)

[Byron_the_Aussie]

...you want moral involvement that's in line with your stance on this issue....

Damn right I do!

My stance is that of a Constitutionalist Christian conservative. That's why I'm on FR.

What's your reason?

[Byron_the_Aussie]

...the US Supreme Court agreed with us....

Right.

What does that tell you?

[SedVictaCatoni]

What does that tell you?

That our Constitutional position is so strong that the US Supreme Court didn't see the need to impose an emergency stay?

[Byron_the_Aussie]

No, Canneloni. It tells you you're in bad company. Sheesh!

[PeoplesRepublicOfWashington]

I'm wondering what Bush thinks of this too. Why can't he show some guts and say he's all for Moore? Either he supports him or he doesn't! I'm sick of this wishy washy compassionate crap.

It's undoubtedly wise for Bush to remain silent on this matter. There is a vast number of childish hedonists in our society who are deathly frightened of religion. Just read through the posts here--plenty of childish hedonistic Freepers, too.

[Rightwing Conspiratr1]

The great Constitution protects me from people like you.

The Constitution without God's laws supporting it and justifying it is garbage based on the whimsies of 9 foolish men. You can use it for toilet paper now.

[an amused spectator]

TWICE in 24 hours!

Jeez we got the brainiacs on this board. Most other boards have trouble spelling one-syllable words, much less using them correctly. ;-)

[Luis Gonzalez]

I am a Christian Conservative, of the Madison, Jefferson, and Franklin type. I believe that power corrupts, and that's why I don't want someone using religion to attain power.

I don't trust organized religion, and people who profess too loudly their Christianity.

"The faith you mention has doubtless its use in the world; I do not desire to see it diminished, nor would I endeavour to lessen it in any man. But I wish it were more productive of good works than I have generally seen it: I mean real good works, works of kindness, charity, mercy, and publick spirit; not holiday-keeping, sermon-reading or hearing, performing church ceremonies, or making long prayers, filled with flatteries or compliments, despised even by wise men, and much less capable of pleasing the deity. The worship of God is a duty, the hearing and reading of sermons may be useful; but if men rest in hearing and praying, as too many do, it is as if a tree should value itself on being watered and putting forth leaves, though it never produced any fruit. " -- Benjamin Franklin