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IBM lays off 15,000, HP 1300 [Outsourcing]
The Register ^ | 8/21/2003 | Andrew Orlowski

Posted on 08/21/2003 9:44:06 AM PDT by ZeitgeistSurfer

Veteran IBM-watchers know how testing it is to read one of the company's financial statements. In the early days of the cold war, Churchill described the Soviet Union as "a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma". But compared to earnings releases from companies such as Apple and Sun - who provide terse and lucid declarations - you can be forgiven for thinking of IBM's announcements as a cloud wrapped in a fog containing a temporary heat-haze.

However, this much is clear: IBM has shed 15,000 jobs in the past quarter: 1400 from the microelectronics division and a staggering "14,213 Global Services personnel" in response to "the recent decline in corporate spending on technology-related services". To balance the books, IBM also bunged its recent acquisition, PwC, by almost $400 million.

In an SEC filing posted last week, IBM maintained that demand was strong. So strong, it had to conduct a private pogrom in its own services division. Clearly, something doesn't add up - even by IBM's own admission.

Perhaps an email from a soon-to-be redundant HP employee to The Register sheds some light on the situation. HP announced earnings this week that fell below expectations and added that it would make 1,300 "unexpected" human sacrifices to cover the shortfall. In contrast to previous "sheddings" of fluff in the "labor market", the middle class now feels the pain.

"Sorry but I'm due in early Sunday to train my replacement in Bangalore," the (almost) ex-HPer explained. "It's because of the time difference."

Offshore drilling

Hidden beneath the already hard-to-find news of job cuts is a massive transfer of IT resources to India and China. While only a few years ago we were promised a "Long Boom" of infinite prosperity, by "gurus" such as Wired executive Kevin Kelly, it now appears that every tech job can be cut or outsourced with impunity. Kelly is never happier, by his own admission, than when he's lying down in Pacifica dreaming of insects.

For the rest of us, needs are rather more pressing.

Not to appear to be picking on IBM or HP in particular, there doesn't seem to be a tech job left that's safe.

This has yet to emerge as an election issue, although it represents an assault on middle class expectations that's unparalleled in peacetime. But it is important and needs some context.

As the world's largest democracy, and with a philosophical and scientific tradition that (outside the Muslim world) is second to none, India has every reason to look upon the recent occidental outbreak of what we call "capitalism" as a temporary aberration.

It's worth nothing that in common with his fellow Victorian political economists, Marx found the oriental model so strange that he excluded it from his theories entirely.

But outbreaks of tech independence abound. The People's Republic of China has shown both a cavalier disregard for Western IP (aka "intellectual property") and boasts a proud confidence that its own homegrown talent can transform a pay-for "IP" import into an indigenous social resource. [See Trade Wars II: China shuns Qualcomm - no CDMA tax! - EU frets over China's 3G plan and Motorola gambles big on Linux, Sinocapitalism for more details].

Given China's astonishing historical legacy of engineering excellence, this is far from foolish. Dammit, weren't our kids supposed to bring home the bacon?

On this side of the Gulf, we're sure to hear cries of anguish, as the parents of expensively educated middle-class kids learn that their investment (and, in the US, this can be upwards of $120,000 per child) has gone offshore.

Which brings us to a particularly anxious conundrum. The prosperity that we felt was assured, and by rights, ours in the West no longer belongs to us. Those college dollars look like a poor investment, when a cleverer Indian can perform the same task for a tenth of the salary. So why did we spend all that money? Who, at what point, added enough "value" to justify the investment?

It's a good question. In a historical perspective the Indian, Muslim and Chinese engineers whose forefathers created so much of this intellectual infastructure are only reaping their due rewards. For Western kids, however, this does seem a bum deal. "Weren't we supposed to be clever[-er] than everyone else?" a recent graduate asked me recently. Well, er, actually no.

Smarts is as smarts gets.

Forget your O'Reilly PERL course, and follow the money. A course in Mandarin or Arabic is probably the shrewdest investment a parent can make right now.

Go west, my son... and then keep going

The inexorable logic of digital capitalism has rewarded companies such as Dell, which add no value, and pare costs to the bone, and ruthlessly punished systems companies such as Sun and Apple, which invest in R&D. For reasons best known to themselves, these companies invest in the hard stuff that can't easily be commoditised. Logic suggests that such companies are the bulwark against copy-cat Oriental opportunism.

While you might think much of the above is facetious, the West faces a very real problem: we have a surfeit of well educated kids who, if we accept the orthodoxies of asset-stripping capitalism, simply can't compete with foreign competitors without tilting the playing field.

When capitalism went digital, the first casualties were manual laborers. Now that skilled engineering jobs are being transferred offshore, the middle class is in the firing line, and this poses a very real crisis for a large and not-entirely unimportant section of society. Go to college, learn tech skills and - oops, sorry - you're job has just gone offshore. Please accept this redundancy slip and some small token that your worthless (hard-earned) contribution has enriched the global economy. Or as the creepier types insist, the global "eco-system".

Technology once promised us vistas of endless prosperity, and saw itself aloof from the obligations of political economy or globalisation. Now these pigeons are coming home to roost, and "technology" is more of a liability than it is a blessing.

It's dry, academic stuff to be sure. But when jobs are being lost on such an extraordinary scale, scarcely reported, is there a politician bold enough even to raise the issue?


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News
KEYWORDS: hp; ibm; outsourcing
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To: MatthewViti
I knew it! It's all a plot!! I thought he looked Hindu!!
81 posted on 08/21/2003 10:29:51 AM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: lelio
Having a position where you actually touch the hardware is more secure than anything virtual. Yet even so, what with hardware becoming more user-friendly and easily replaced, it's time for us to make that next great leap forward.
82 posted on 08/21/2003 10:31:00 AM PDT by theDentist (Liberals can sugarcoat sh** all they want. I'm not biting.)
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To: warchild9
but every job lost is another person going over to the Democrats

Nope. I got laid off after GW was elected. From where I sit, I am not the one who has moved in this conversation.

83 posted on 08/21/2003 10:31:08 AM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: ZeitgeistSurfer
I work in tech support for a large (200k plus employees) corporation and I am worried that they will outsource our jobs too. They've already run off almost all the experienced engineers and are hiring young whiz kids who have never done anything beyond a PlayStation game, and who don't mind working long, weird hours for little money. Now they're moving us to a very undesirable urban location to save a couple of bucks and their attitude seems to be "if you don't like it, there's the door". Next stop: India, I'm sure. *sigh*

It's time to think about a "real" job that pays much less, but may keep me from going insane.

84 posted on 08/21/2003 10:31:13 AM PDT by Sender
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To: Lazamataz
You take all the fun out of it, you know.
85 posted on 08/21/2003 10:31:32 AM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: CJ Wolf
Actually, when I finish school, we're planning on moving out of state (staying within the South) for family reasons. The job and housing market here are very bad, and getting worse (though the local retail market is finding Mexicans to be unsatisfactory employees, and are looking for English-speakers).
86 posted on 08/21/2003 10:31:47 AM PDT by warchild9
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To: Texas_Dawg
I'm sure you're the type who'd be happy to be homeless with children, so long as you don't live in Cuba.
87 posted on 08/21/2003 10:32:09 AM PDT by MatthewViti
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To: ZeitgeistSurfer
I am seeing it now. People are scared, and they are starting to demand something be done.
88 posted on 08/21/2003 10:32:21 AM PDT by scottlang
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To: warchild9
Sitting nerby was an H1-B family, and we were in a Chinese restaurant.

Were they wearing the H1b identification badges?

In a Chinese restaurant? Oh, the Horror! The Horror of it all!

89 posted on 08/21/2003 10:32:28 AM PDT by swarthyguy
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To: theDentist
Don't know whether to laugh or to cry, Dentist.

Both at once, I guess.

The silver lining is that`the school system has never had so many qualified substitutes available....
90 posted on 08/21/2003 10:32:39 AM PDT by ladysusan (Where's it going to end?)
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To: warchild9
Bots may celebrate W

It's like a bizarro world. The Bush apologists are exactly equal to the Clintonista's. And the liberal Bush haters are saying the same exact crazy things the Rep. Clinton haters were saying. There was a thread earlier about how Bush is going to enact marshall law via executive order.

91 posted on 08/21/2003 10:33:47 AM PDT by riri
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To: CJ Wolf
You may have to move again.

If you don't mind worshipping a cow, wondering what the quality of your water is, and if Pakistan is going to drop a nuke on you, I hear India is hiring.

That's one of the major problems of today. In the past you could move around the US to where the jobs were headed. If you didn't like being a part of a union you could move to union free Texas. Oh wait those jobs are being offshored too.

A lot of posters are missing the point 80% of the US isn't the hyper geniuses that we are on FR. However they could work in a factory for 10 years, buy a house, have a wife that stayed home and sent their kids off to colleges to better themselves. What opportunities like that do they have today? Work in retail?

Not that I'm a liberal that wants the government to hand out jobs, but I think the US was the land of opportunity precisely for that reason: you could be a below average intelligence guy and still have it pretty good. You're not having a swimming pool in your backyard, but you aren't starving at the end of the month either. I don't see that happening in the future.

Where am I headed with this? What happens when this is the lifestyle of a majority of Americans? Are they not going to vote in someone that plans to "fix" this? We might not like having to pay $15-20k an hour for factory workers, but it sure beats paying that to them in the form of welfare.
92 posted on 08/21/2003 10:34:02 AM PDT by lelio
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To: A. Pole
"Bankruptcy law should be modified so the student loans could be discharged the same way as other debts. There is no way a Walmart employee will be able to pay back costs of advanced college degree."

That means everyone else pays for it. No way.


93 posted on 08/21/2003 10:34:07 AM PDT by At _War_With_Liberals
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To: ZeitgeistSurfer
A good indication of the health of a nation is that we are wealthy enough to pay the Chinese pennies to build our crap.
94 posted on 08/21/2003 10:34:19 AM PDT by Grando Calrissian
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To: Texas_Dawg
You are not guaranteed a job in Cuba. Communists only give jobs to the faithful. You should check your facts.


The unemployment rate: 4.1% (2001 est.)



http://216.239.57.104/search?q=cache:3_IhGdxTGZAJ:globaledge.msu.edu/ibrd/CountryStats.asp%3FCountryID%3D117%26RegionID%3D4+cuban+statistics+unemployment+rate&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
95 posted on 08/21/2003 10:35:03 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: ZeitgeistSurfer; clamper1797; sarcasm; BrooklynGOP; A. Pole; Zorrito; GiovannaNicoletta; ...
Ping

On or off this list let me know.
96 posted on 08/21/2003 10:35:32 AM PDT by harpseal (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown)
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To: swarthyguy
Another irony is a friend of mine's family is from India, and they became naturalized citizens three years ago to "find the better life in the USA". Now, his job has been outsourced to...India! He has two small children and a mortgage, and his wife is ill. They're selling their house, but beyon that they don't know what to do.
97 posted on 08/21/2003 10:36:01 AM PDT by warchild9
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To: Texas_Dawg
The country-wide unemployment rate stands at 2.76 per cent, down 0.14 per cent year-on-year, according to statistics released on Thursday.

The urban unemployment rate, far higher at 6.28 per cent, also fell by 0.16 per cent from last year’s figure.

Ha Noi, the northern port city of Hai Phong and the north-eastern coastal province of Quang Ninh suffer the highest unemployment rate, according to the Ministry of Labour, Invalids and Social Affairs and the General Department of Statistics.

The unemployment rate ranges from 7.1 to 7.4 per cent in these regions.

http://www.usvtc.org/News/2001/October%202001/oc29_viet_nam.htm

98 posted on 08/21/2003 10:36:10 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: MatthewViti
I'm sure you're the type who'd be happy to be homeless with children, so long as you don't live in Cuba.

No... that's why I don't want to imitate their trade policies.

99 posted on 08/21/2003 10:36:21 AM PDT by Texas_Dawg (I will not rest until every "little man" is destroyed.)
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To: hedgetrimmer
The country-wide unemployment rate stands at 2.76 per cent, down 0.14 per cent year-on-year, according to statistics released on Thursday.

Of course. It's a wonderful place. See how low their unemployment is? We must copy them.

100 posted on 08/21/2003 10:37:50 AM PDT by Texas_Dawg (I will not rest until every "little man" is destroyed.)
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