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IBM lays off 15,000, HP 1300 [Outsourcing]
The Register ^ | 8/21/2003 | Andrew Orlowski

Posted on 08/21/2003 9:44:06 AM PDT by ZeitgeistSurfer

Veteran IBM-watchers know how testing it is to read one of the company's financial statements. In the early days of the cold war, Churchill described the Soviet Union as "a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma". But compared to earnings releases from companies such as Apple and Sun - who provide terse and lucid declarations - you can be forgiven for thinking of IBM's announcements as a cloud wrapped in a fog containing a temporary heat-haze.

However, this much is clear: IBM has shed 15,000 jobs in the past quarter: 1400 from the microelectronics division and a staggering "14,213 Global Services personnel" in response to "the recent decline in corporate spending on technology-related services". To balance the books, IBM also bunged its recent acquisition, PwC, by almost $400 million.

In an SEC filing posted last week, IBM maintained that demand was strong. So strong, it had to conduct a private pogrom in its own services division. Clearly, something doesn't add up - even by IBM's own admission.

Perhaps an email from a soon-to-be redundant HP employee to The Register sheds some light on the situation. HP announced earnings this week that fell below expectations and added that it would make 1,300 "unexpected" human sacrifices to cover the shortfall. In contrast to previous "sheddings" of fluff in the "labor market", the middle class now feels the pain.

"Sorry but I'm due in early Sunday to train my replacement in Bangalore," the (almost) ex-HPer explained. "It's because of the time difference."

Offshore drilling

Hidden beneath the already hard-to-find news of job cuts is a massive transfer of IT resources to India and China. While only a few years ago we were promised a "Long Boom" of infinite prosperity, by "gurus" such as Wired executive Kevin Kelly, it now appears that every tech job can be cut or outsourced with impunity. Kelly is never happier, by his own admission, than when he's lying down in Pacifica dreaming of insects.

For the rest of us, needs are rather more pressing.

Not to appear to be picking on IBM or HP in particular, there doesn't seem to be a tech job left that's safe.

This has yet to emerge as an election issue, although it represents an assault on middle class expectations that's unparalleled in peacetime. But it is important and needs some context.

As the world's largest democracy, and with a philosophical and scientific tradition that (outside the Muslim world) is second to none, India has every reason to look upon the recent occidental outbreak of what we call "capitalism" as a temporary aberration.

It's worth nothing that in common with his fellow Victorian political economists, Marx found the oriental model so strange that he excluded it from his theories entirely.

But outbreaks of tech independence abound. The People's Republic of China has shown both a cavalier disregard for Western IP (aka "intellectual property") and boasts a proud confidence that its own homegrown talent can transform a pay-for "IP" import into an indigenous social resource. [See Trade Wars II: China shuns Qualcomm - no CDMA tax! - EU frets over China's 3G plan and Motorola gambles big on Linux, Sinocapitalism for more details].

Given China's astonishing historical legacy of engineering excellence, this is far from foolish. Dammit, weren't our kids supposed to bring home the bacon?

On this side of the Gulf, we're sure to hear cries of anguish, as the parents of expensively educated middle-class kids learn that their investment (and, in the US, this can be upwards of $120,000 per child) has gone offshore.

Which brings us to a particularly anxious conundrum. The prosperity that we felt was assured, and by rights, ours in the West no longer belongs to us. Those college dollars look like a poor investment, when a cleverer Indian can perform the same task for a tenth of the salary. So why did we spend all that money? Who, at what point, added enough "value" to justify the investment?

It's a good question. In a historical perspective the Indian, Muslim and Chinese engineers whose forefathers created so much of this intellectual infastructure are only reaping their due rewards. For Western kids, however, this does seem a bum deal. "Weren't we supposed to be clever[-er] than everyone else?" a recent graduate asked me recently. Well, er, actually no.

Smarts is as smarts gets.

Forget your O'Reilly PERL course, and follow the money. A course in Mandarin or Arabic is probably the shrewdest investment a parent can make right now.

Go west, my son... and then keep going

The inexorable logic of digital capitalism has rewarded companies such as Dell, which add no value, and pare costs to the bone, and ruthlessly punished systems companies such as Sun and Apple, which invest in R&D. For reasons best known to themselves, these companies invest in the hard stuff that can't easily be commoditised. Logic suggests that such companies are the bulwark against copy-cat Oriental opportunism.

While you might think much of the above is facetious, the West faces a very real problem: we have a surfeit of well educated kids who, if we accept the orthodoxies of asset-stripping capitalism, simply can't compete with foreign competitors without tilting the playing field.

When capitalism went digital, the first casualties were manual laborers. Now that skilled engineering jobs are being transferred offshore, the middle class is in the firing line, and this poses a very real crisis for a large and not-entirely unimportant section of society. Go to college, learn tech skills and - oops, sorry - you're job has just gone offshore. Please accept this redundancy slip and some small token that your worthless (hard-earned) contribution has enriched the global economy. Or as the creepier types insist, the global "eco-system".

Technology once promised us vistas of endless prosperity, and saw itself aloof from the obligations of political economy or globalisation. Now these pigeons are coming home to roost, and "technology" is more of a liability than it is a blessing.

It's dry, academic stuff to be sure. But when jobs are being lost on such an extraordinary scale, scarcely reported, is there a politician bold enough even to raise the issue?


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News
KEYWORDS: hp; ibm; outsourcing
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To: Mad Dawgg
Out with you foul beast, this here thread is for all those closet socialists to commiserate on!

Yeah! I am so *sick to death* of those closet socialist Anti-Free-Trade people!!!

221 posted on 08/21/2003 11:33:33 AM PDT by Lazamataz (I have decided that I will follow the free trade policy of the most recent person who posts to me.)
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To: warchild9
The economics department at Duke University. A friend of mine is an Associate Professor in economics there.

Well, hey... if that guy said so.

222 posted on 08/21/2003 11:34:05 AM PDT by Texas_Dawg (I will not rest until every "little man" is destroyed.)
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To: Mad Dawgg
You are p!$$in all over these poor folks pity party and they don't appreciate it!

We're all doomed.

223 posted on 08/21/2003 11:35:13 AM PDT by Texas_Dawg (I will not rest until every "little man" is destroyed.)
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To: Paul Ross
"Let them eat cake" -- Catherine the Great of Russia

Ah, no!

(I hope that was meant as sarcasm)

224 posted on 08/21/2003 11:35:34 AM PDT by Mad Dawgg (French: old Europe word meaning surrender)
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To: Texas_Dawg
I've seen his analysis. It had a lot of numbers. I could believe them, as they didn't come out of a newspaper or television set or the mouth of a governmental figurehead.
225 posted on 08/21/2003 11:35:56 AM PDT by warchild9
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To: At _War_With_Liberals
"Bankruptcy law should be modified so the student loans could be discharged the same way as other debts. There is no way a Walmart employee will be able to pay back costs of advanced college degree."

That means everyone else pays for it. No way.

You do not understand. A Walmart employee with PhD will not pay it anyway. But if prevented from using bankruptcy ( corporations and businessmen do all the time) he will never be able to improve his lot, instead he will be a burden to the society to the end of his life - another hidden cost of "free" trade.

226 posted on 08/21/2003 11:40:35 AM PDT by A. Pole
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To: warchild9
I've seen his analysis. It had a lot of numbers. I could believe them, as they didn't come out of a newspaper or television set or the mouth of a governmental figurehead.

Right. Because government figures that markets move hundreds of billions of dollars on, are just a big conspiracy. Of course no one can trust the Bureau of Economic Analysis. But your friend and his notebook... now that's solid.

227 posted on 08/21/2003 11:40:47 AM PDT by Texas_Dawg (I will not rest until every "little man" is destroyed.)
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To: Texas_Dawg
"We're all doomed."

Entrophy Sucks!

228 posted on 08/21/2003 11:42:35 AM PDT by Mad Dawgg (French: old Europe word meaning surrender)
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To: Mad Dawgg
"Entrophy Sucks!"

So does Entropy!

229 posted on 08/21/2003 11:44:00 AM PDT by Mad Dawgg (French: old Europe word meaning surrender)
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To: warchild9
LOL! We MUST live in the same place.
230 posted on 08/21/2003 11:45:31 AM PDT by ladysusan (Where's it going to end?)
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To: Paul Ross
I think she said let them drink vodka.
231 posted on 08/21/2003 11:46:03 AM PDT by CJ Wolf ( I am one of the people who love the why of things. Kat the great)
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To: ARCADIA
It doesn't matter if Al Queda detonates dozens of nukes next year, the key issue is still going to be the economy.

The dozens of nukes is stretching it a bit but I do agree the economy will be the key issue.

232 posted on 08/21/2003 11:48:06 AM PDT by holdmuhbeer
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To: Texas_Dawg
My friend worked for the Commerce Department for twenty years, and still does consulting for them. Smart money doesn't move on government figures--speculators and bond traders make their money betting on statistical trends. In that world, regressive analysis rules.
233 posted on 08/21/2003 11:48:39 AM PDT by warchild9
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To: Texas_Dawg
What nonsense you prattle.

Obviously you did not grow up in a blue collar neighborhood in the industrial Northeast in the 60's. Obviously you don't know anyone who did. Obviously you did not have aunts and uncles who were blue collar working class in the 60's. Obviously you have never driven through the run down neighborhoods of Northern cities, neighborhoods that you can clearly see were nice 40 years ago but whose economic base was destroyed by deindustrialization.

The "Life of Riley", the postwar blue collar middle class was very real.
234 posted on 08/21/2003 11:49:14 AM PDT by Tokhtamish
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To: swarthyguy
It's global free trade at work-- just as Engels and Marx imagined it.
"But, generally speaking, the Protective system in these days is conservative, while the Free Trade system works destructively. It breaks up old nationalities and carries antagonism of proletariat and bourgeoisie to the uttermost point. In a word, the Free Trade system hastens the Social Revolution. In this revolutionary sense alone, gentlemen, I am in favor of Free Trade." -- Karl Marx, 1848

I'm not a citizen of the world, though. I expect my government to represent my interests and not the interests of the Chinese or Indians.

235 posted on 08/21/2003 11:49:33 AM PDT by GraniteStateConservative (Willie Green for President...)
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To: Texas_Dawg
With 6.5% inflation over 40 years $2018 becomes $26974. To be 2.5x as bad, inflation will only have to creep up to 8.6% for the 1960 salary of $2k to be worth $54k.

But that's really mental masturbation over compound interest. The real world is a lot different.
236 posted on 08/21/2003 11:49:46 AM PDT by lelio
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To: 1066AD
Sigh.
Thank you.
I believe those buildings are actually in North Dallas, not Plano.


It's bad here all right.

237 posted on 08/21/2003 11:49:53 AM PDT by ladysusan (Where's it going to end?)
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To: grania; harpseal; Cacophonous; ALOHA RONNIE; maui_hawaii
I suspect the main reason that the RATs don't make more of a stink over the issue is that they approve of it happening at several levels:
(1) They truly want to diminish the U.S. and make it a 'chihauha' instead of a 'big dog' lone-superpower, and
(2) For political practicality, they want the disaster to be in full bloom in the U.S. before they really wheel out the demagogic 'Big Guns'. Hence they can't allow GWB to realize the enormity of the crisis looming until it breaks upon his head.
(3) Since they won't want to see the problem solved...They of course will only advocate palliative solutions, rather than effective proactive steps such as chopping the subsidies that prop up the outsourcing and the absurdly low tariffs against our principal trade parasites. They will offer only more Unemployment Comp, more retraining (to what, trading Governmental Securities?) more welfare, including corporate subsidies, and don't have the dollars to do that in the budget... yet. One more raid of Social Security coming up. These are the 'solutions' they will preach to the exclusion of all else. Especially vilified by them will be 'isolationist' or 'extremist' solutions such as protectionist tariffs and de-subsidization.

GWB may well be blind-sided...because no one close to him is telling him the truths that 'Free Trade' ISN'T.

238 posted on 08/21/2003 11:51:16 AM PDT by Paul Ross (A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master, and deserves one!-A. Hamilton)
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To: GraniteStateConservative
I expect my government to represent my interests

In a free market system?

It's not the govt outsourcing (some state govts are) but corporations; those guys who make decisions based on efficiency and lowering costs.

239 posted on 08/21/2003 11:52:23 AM PDT by swarthyguy
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To: Paul Ross
Does it never occur to you that they're pulling in the bucks from the suits the same as the Republicans?
240 posted on 08/21/2003 11:52:42 AM PDT by warchild9
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