IBM lays off 15,000, HP 1300 [Outsourcing]

The Register ^ | 8/21/2003 | Andrew Orlowski

[warchild9]

The number of IBM jobs here in the Triangle is 100%. The suits said so. (And they'll probably be next.)

[RedBloodedAmerican]

Where in THIS article does it say they will replace those jobs with overseas work?

[swarthyguy]

Yes, sir, I've read that and it makes a lot of sense IF
there is the political will. I'm not a trade expert but your points seem viable.

However, which politician would even think about broaching this topic?

[Texas_Dawg]

You cannot have a "might makes right" world view and still be any kind of sincere Christian.

Really? Go read Augustine. I've read thousands of pages of Augustine and agree with basically all of it. I disagree with most the few things of Ayn Rand that I've read.

[GraniteStateConservative]

We will keep things on shore that require user interface in order to accomplish.

What size vest are you?

[Texas_Dawg]

Actually, the average per capita income in the 60's was SIX times what it is today, taking into consideration tax increases

This is just flat out false. I documented the official government statistics on per capita after-tax income from 1960-2002 in post #164. Please refute that instead of just spewing lies.

[Mad Dawgg]

"Are you dimly aware that a non-high school graduate in a good union factory job with seniority in 1960 could buy a house, have health insurance, go away on paid vacation, send a child to college, and retire on a pension ? And all on one paycheck ? How many college graduates can do that now ?"

I am not a college graduate and I've never made more than 20K for a years paycheck in my life nor has Mrs. Dawgg. She didn't go to college either. I have bought and sold 4 houses, currently own one and looking for a beach rental/vacation house, and I just got back from vacation. Further my 8 year old daughter has a growing college fund, and my retirement plan is on course to go well above 700k by the time I reach retirement age.

[maui_hawaii]

Unless we do something differently, fat chance.

The problem is and the trend is, everyone who wants, competes for our markets but they don't open their markets to us. We are the only ones being open here.

Whats more is very VERY few are realistically trying to develop markets elsewhere.

If there is one carrot, but 20 people fighting over it, realistically what ends up happening? Does everyone end up getting a nibble? The real solution is to get more carrots, which we are not doing.

In terms of economics those who bring carrots should eat carrots, and if you want we can trade. If you don't have a carrot to offer...then no dice.

It ain't happening though.

[Texas_Dawg]

I am not a college graduate and I've never made more than 20K for a years paycheck in my life nor has Mrs. Dawgg. She didn't go to college either. I have bought and sold 4 houses, currently own one and looking for a beach rental/vacation house, and I just got back from vacation. Further my 8 year old daughter has a growing college fund, and my retirement plan is on course to go well above 700k by the time I reach retirement age.

We're all doomed. Vote Democratic or Pat Buchanan.

[LibertyAndJusticeForAll]

"... soon india won't be able to support the primary language of the US, which will be spanish."

It is so outrageously true. Right now in California an English speaking American citizen with a high-school diploma cannot get a job at most janitorial, construction, restaurant, hotel, cannery or fast food crews. Also, teachers, customer service reps, sales reps, etc. are preferred bilingual.
So, I guess, they will begin outsourcing to Latin & South America soon.

[Myrddin]

Here is the article describing the referenced layoffs. Late in the text, HP notes it is building up its workforces in low cost areas such as Poland, Costa Rica, the Philippines, China and India. Wayman noted that HP already has 8,000 employees in India.

The cuts are in the U.S., the hires are in low cost areas.

[lelio]

Don't see it in this article, but it isn't that hard to figure out where the jobs are going.


HP accused of hiring cheap labour
HPQ's Indian takeaway
HP/Compaq offshore move costs 1,200 US jobs
How HP totally lost the support plot

[Nowhere Man]

India & Red China: "All your jobs are belong to us." B-P

[Mad Dawgg]

"We're all doomed. Vote Democratic or Pat Buchanan."

GO PAT, GO!

(Far Away!)

[dfwgator]

Today there is a bunch more stuff that people have today than in the 60's. If you stripped your lifestyle down to the level of the normal 60's household, you could probably live fairly well on a meager income.

[Mad Dawgg]

"We're all doomed."

Someone said we are all gonna die... Is this true?

[holdmuhbeer]

Yeah, I know what your talking about. I'm a programmer for Blue Cross in Durham and we're all stressed right now about it. I came out of the textile industry and retrained in programming. Looks like I may have to retrain again in something else. Wonder how much training it takes to mix paint at Home Depot. LOL.

[Lazamataz]

The problem is and the trend is, everyone who wants, competes for our markets but they don't open their markets to us. We are the only ones being open here.

You bet! Why don't people see that???

[Texas_Dawg]

Today there is a bunch more stuff that people have today than in the 60's. If you stripped your lifestyle down to the level of the normal 60's household, you could probably live fairly well on a meager income.

You mean, we're not all doomed??? You's one a them, ain't ya?!?

[warchild9]

Mr. troll, government statistics are the biggest lies in the world. The CPI is manipulated to maintain a certain level in pensions and benefits, and I was talking about taxes at all levels, including hidden taxes and fees.