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To: Selmo
Weep Citizens; you are witnessing the MURDER OF AMERICA and all you have worked for all your lives. America is abandoned to TREASON And TRAITORS!
12 posted on 08/20/2003 7:13:25 PM PDT by winker
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To: winker; Flora McDonald; Calpernia; Selmo
Before you flame me, I must state that I am PRO 10 commandments on this issue. But as a historian I must add that the Supreme Court is doing what our Founding Fathers would have approved of. For example:

Thomas Jefferson:

"I have examined all the known superstitions of the word, and I do not find in our particular superstition of Christianity one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology. Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned. What has been the effect of this coercion? To make one half the world fools and the other half hypocrites; to support roguery and error all over the earth."

Jefferson again:

"Christianity...(has become) the most perverted system that ever shone on man. ...Rogueries, absurdities and untruths were perpetrated upon the teachings of Jesus by a large band of dupes and importers led by Paul, the first great corrupter of the teaching of Jesus." More Jefferson:

"The clergy converted the simple teachings of Jesus into an engine for enslaving mankind and adulterated by artificial constructions into a contrivance to filch wealth and power to themselves...these clergy, in fact, constitute the real Anti-Christ.

Jefferson's word for the Bible? "Dunghill."

John Adams:

"Where do we find a precept in the Bible for Creeds, Confessions, Doctrines and Oaths, and whole carloads of other trumpery that we find religion encumbered with in these days?"

Also Adams:

"The doctrine of the divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity."

Adams signed the Treaty of Tripoli. (our victory against the Muslim Turks) Article 11 states (It made it easier for the Turks to sign with this provision):

"The Government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion."

Here's Thomas Paine:

"I would not dare to so dishonor my Creator God by attaching His name to that book (the Bible)." "Among the most detestable villains in history, you could not find one worse than Moses. Here is an order, attributed to 'God' to butcher the boys, to massacre the mothers and to debauch and rape the daughters. I would not dare so dishonor my Creator's name by (attaching) it to this filthy book (the Bible)."

"It is the duty of every true Deist to vindicate the moral justice of God against the evils of the Bible."

"Accustom a people to believe that priests and clergy can forgive sins...and you will have sins in abundance."

And; "The Christian church has set up a religion of pomp and revenue in pretended imitation of a person (Jesus) who lived a life of poverty."

Finally let's hear from James Madison:

"What influence in fact have Christian ecclesiastical establishments had on civil society? In many instances they have been upholding the thrones of political tyranny. In no instance have they been seen as the guardians of the liberties of the people. Rulers who wished to subvert the public liberty have found in the clergy convenient auxiliaries. A just government, instituted to secure and perpetuate liberty, does not need the clergy." Madison objected to state-supported chaplains in Congress and to the exemption of churches from taxation. He wrote:

"Religion and government will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together."

These founding fathers were a reflection of the American population. Having escaped from the state-established religions of Europe, only 7% of the people in the 13 colonies belonged to a church when the Declaration of Independence was signed.

Among those who confuse Christianity with the founding of America, the rise of conservative Baptists is one of the more interesting developments. The Baptists believed God's authority came from the people, not the priesthood, and they had been persecuted for this belief. It was they - the Baptists - who were instrumental in securing the separation of church and state. They knew you can not have a "one-way wall" that lets religion into government but that does not let it out. They knew no religion is capable of handling political power without becoming corrupted by it. And, perhaps, they knew it was Christ himself who first proposed the separation of church and state: "Give unto Caesar that which is Caesar's and unto the Lord that which is the Lord's."

117 posted on 08/20/2003 8:21:23 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorisim by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: winker
Weep Citizens; you are witnessing the MURDER OF AMERICA and all you have worked for all your lives. America is abandoned to TREASON And TRAITORS!

Worth repeating! The Judicial system has become an out of control dictatorship in this country.

155 posted on 08/20/2003 8:43:58 PM PDT by ladyinred (The left have blood on their hands.)
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To: winker
What you have said here, though some would call it extreme, is essentially correct. What is not realized is that the battle was lost when we became a nation without "money". All we have now is"promise to pay" and the entire of our economy is based not upon individual decisions, conscious based or not, but rather on the administration of a civil "code". The powers that be can decide who will win, who will lose, and who will go to jail.

America has been "lost" since December 23rd, 1913 the date that the Federal Reserve act was passed, and 1918 when the British Lawyers Guild successfully inserted its creature "The American Bar Association" in Chicago. By 1918 the country fate was sealed.

We have been the victims of a "counter revolution" that negated our declaration of independence and the Constitution. The rest, as they say, has been "history".
454 posted on 08/21/2003 7:20:49 AM PDT by RISU
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