Researcher's Study of Twins Bolsters 'Gateway Theory' (For Early Marijuana Use)

Medscape ^ | 2003 | Brown University Behavior Letter

[shrinkermd]

Many studies have examined the "gateway" theory, that marijuana use at a young age leads to use of harder drugs as a person grows older. While there is a general consensus among studies that those who use marijuana are much more likely to use hard drugs and that hard drug users usually use marijuana first, there is lively debate surrounding the reasons for these dynamics.

[jmc813]

States' rights would end this discussion on both sides.

True. Presidio, what is your opinion on the Lawrence v. Texas decision?

[Sir Gawain]

what is unique about pot that it causes "philisophical" changes in people?

Its illegality.

Sounds to me like he's saying, if we made pot legal, the gateway effect would disappear (unless he was being sarcastic in his reply).

[PaxMacian]

Preserving the Constitution is a conservative policy.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with inherent and inalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."

Preamble: ...secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity...

Amendment V: nor shall (anyone) be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Amendment IX: The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the PEOPLE.

Amendment X: The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the PEOPLE.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof

Nowhere in the Constitution is it enumerated what one may put into ones body. Therefore, that right is reserved for the states or the people. However, since God has already specified in the Bible what one may consume, it is, in fact, the People’s God given right.

[MrLeRoy]

Legalized drugs would make it easier for the people who sell drugs to kids to get them.

There would be far fewer such people, because they'd no lonnger be able to support themselves by selling drugs to both adults and children (the high profits having been removed from the former market).

[jmc813]

Whatever. Legalized drugs is not a conservative policy. If Jim did support legalized drugs (actually it seems like he supporst states rights) he is embracing a libertarian policy.

Who ever said he supports legalization? Do you realize that I myself would not want my state legalizing drugs such as heroin and LSD? Supporting states rights is a VERY libertarian position.

[presidio9]

Caught in another lie! I am not a legalized drugs proponent.

I advocate the re-legalization of herb.

I am done talking to you. You are clearly off your rocker.

[thoughtomator]

But there would be no point for them to sell to kids with risk, if they could sell to adults with no risk. When the risk is made inherent in simply possessing the substance, there's no incentive to differentiate.

And of course, adults are not kids, and do not deserve to have their liberty restricted for that reason.

When was the last time you actually talked to a minor about drugs? They all know where to get anything they might want, and the WoD promotes this situation. More kids use drugs now than before the WoD - at some point, if you actually do care about kids and are not using them as a tool of rhetoric like Democrats do, what went wrong? Why are drugs more available to kids now than cigarettes and alcohol?

[MrLeRoy]

"I'm in favor of ending the war on drugs at the federal level." - Jim Robinson, 05/03/2003

[f.Christian]

j8 ...

YYYYYEEEEEEEESSSSSS!!!!! f.Christian is back on the WOD threads. Welcome home, friend!

fC ...

Evolution // DRUGS and society and politics ... personal intelligence too --- is the formula for disaster !

A bomb apes ... hi tech pop culture freaks of unnature --- ANTI science // nature!

[PaxMacian]

"no way to control interstate traffic."

You are all about control.

Why do you believe that an herb given by God to man and beast alike at the beginning of time and which happens to have grown freely almost everywhere, including here long before our nation was formed, is permissibly eradicable and controllable by the federal government through powers granted to it by the interstate commerce clause of the Constitution.
Give me a logical explanation of how this could be true.

[MrLeRoy]

There's also no use in debating p9

I do it to reach lurkers---he himself is impervious to reason.

[presidio9]

There would be far fewer such people, because they'd no lonnger be able to support themselves by selling drugs to both adults and children (the high profits having been removed from the former market).

You need to learn a bit more about the type of person that sells drugs to kids, and how they actually make money. Your assessment here is inaccurate.

[thoughtomator]

One cannot precisely quantify the time since the begining of the universe, but we can be certain that it was not created in six days, at least not six of our days. This is not to exclude the possibility of six of God's days being a heck of a lot longer than six of ours.

[MrLeRoy]

there would be no way to control interstate traffic.

Says who?

Dred Scott for one.

When was the last time any court cited Dred Scott as a controlling precedent?

[thoughtomator]

At this point, it is crystal clear to anyone still interested as to who is attempting to persuade with logic, and who is attempting to persuade with force.

signing off

[presidio9]

I told you, until you stop your silly insistence that pot is a benefical herb whose use is divinely ordained, I will no longer be wasting my time in discussion with you. There are plenty of other nutjobs for me to respond to.

[Sir Gawain]

Do you honestly want to put drug dealers out of business? Tell me your solution. Show me results. I bet my way is faster and will erode no liberties. You first.

[PaxMacian]

Proverbs 19:5
A false witness will not go unpunished, and he who pours out lies will not go free.

[presidio9]

Nonetheless, the precendent is established, and I am talking about in a practical sense, not a legal one.

[MrLeRoy]

There would be far fewer such people, because they'd no lonnger be able to support themselves by selling drugs to both adults and children (the high profits having been removed from the former market).

Your assessment here is inaccurate.

Because you say so?