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UPDATE: Linus Torvalds claims SCO 'smoking gun' backfires
ZDNET Australia ^ | 20 August 2003 | By Patrick Gray

Posted on 08/20/2003 11:43:35 AM PDT by shadowman99

The ruckus erupted when SCO showed its "smoking gun" to delegates at its conference in Las Vegas yesterday. A German journalist photographed some of SCO's presentation slides, despite attendees being required to sign non-disclosure agreements before attending the event. The slides then came under the full scrutiny of Linux advocates, with one, former Hewlett-Packard open source strategist Bruce Perens, publishing a damning analysis online.

Perens claims the code can be traced to AT&T, which developed the Unix code eventually sold to SCO, and was written as far back as 1973. Since then it has been released under varying licences as open source code -- Perens argues that even Caldera, the company now known as SCO, made the code open itself under a special license.

Furthermore, he said, it was released under the BSD license. Copies of the BSD code are freely available online and include the developer comments SCO allege were proof of code theft. "No violation of SCO's copyright or trade secrets is taking place," Perens argues.

Linus Torvalds, the creator of Linux, told ZDNet Australia  by e-mail the alleged blunder wasn't a surprise. "Hey, that was what we claimed was the most likely source of common code from the very first time," he wrote.

"So one code snippet was from pretty much original Unix -- and yes, Caldera released the old Unix code itself back when they still remembered that they made all their IPO money off Linux -- which is interesting partly because it shows how SCO has been lying all along: they said several times how they are talking about SysVr4 code, not 'old Unix' code, and now they show old Unix code on their slides."

"The other snippet they showed was apparently from the 'netfilter' code, which is not old Unix, but is definitely BSD licensed and freely usable," he added.

While Perens says the SCO team did a good job of finding duplicated code, "they didn't take the additional step of checking whether or not the code had been released for others to copy legally".

"It strikes me that SCO would show their best example. This is it?!?!? Hoary old code from 1973 that's been all over the net for three decades and is released under a license that allows the Linux developers to use it with impunity? If this is their best example, they are bound to lose."

When AT&T took BSD to court back in 1992 in a case that is similar to the SCO lawsuit, AT&T, in the form of Unix System Laboratories, lost.

"Since Plaintiff has failed to provide enough evidence to establish a 'reasonable probability' that Net2 or BSD/386 contain trade secrets, I find that Plaintiff has failed to demonstrate a likelihood of success on the merits of its claim for misappropriation of trade secrets. No preliminary injunction will issue," the final judgement read.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; Front Page News; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Technical
KEYWORDS: bsd; gnu; gpl; linux; microsoft; sco; techindex; unix
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1 posted on 08/20/2003 11:43:36 AM PDT by shadowman99
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; rdb3
ping
2 posted on 08/20/2003 11:44:24 AM PDT by shadowman99
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To: shadowman99
Somewhere in Redmond, the words, "Curses! Foiled again" echo in a subterranean lair. Igor (played by Steve Ballmer) slouches off until called upon for the Master's next nefarious scheme.

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F
3 posted on 08/20/2003 11:52:25 AM PDT by Criminal Number 18F
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To: John Robinson; B Knotts; stainlessbanner; TechJunkYard; ShadowAce; Knitebane; AppyPappy; jae471; ...
The Penguin Ping.

Wanna be Penguified? Just holla!


Click and find out!

Got root?

4 posted on 08/20/2003 12:04:29 PM PDT by rdb3 (N.O.T.O.R.I.O.U.S. Nupe)
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To: shadowman99
The SCO FUD campaign will prove to be the catalyst that brought Linux/Open Source into the mainstream and caused it to be a generally accepted platform.

Thanks for doing this, Bill.
5 posted on 08/20/2003 12:10:52 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws help support terrorism.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
That's what I'm hearing, too.

The suit hasn't hurt one bit, and has in fact helped the adoption of Linux by moving the name into the mainstream.

This free advertising for Linux is awesome.

The number one 'take-away' point our executives seem to have gotten from this is, "So IBM will defend Linux to the hilt?"

6 posted on 08/20/2003 12:40:03 PM PDT by Dominic Harr
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To: shadowman99
If this is the best Caldera has then they are bordering on criminal activity ala extortion. Or, at a minimum deceptive trade practices, etc.

David Boise is having as much success with Caldera as he did with Gore/Bush and the Napster case.

7 posted on 08/20/2003 12:40:25 PM PDT by isthisnickcool (Take the last train to Clarksville and I'll meet you at the station...)
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To: isthisnickcool
You gotta be kiddin me! I haven't been watching this too close, but you mean to tell me David Boise is SCO's counsel? BWA!
8 posted on 08/20/2003 1:23:03 PM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: isthisnickcool
David Boise is having as much success with Caldera as he did with Gore/Bush and the Napster case.

I think Boise is nothing but an ambulance chaser, at least metaphorically. By associating himself with these high profile cases, he gets his name in the news. It doesn't matter if he wins or loses.

It's like the old cliche in Hollywood: "There is no such thing as bad publicity."

9 posted on 08/20/2003 1:36:28 PM PDT by justlurking
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To: Dominic Harr
Any minute now, B2K and GE will be around to tell us that Linus/Linux is a commie plot to rob us of our precious bodily fluids.

Right Mandrake?

:-))

10 posted on 08/20/2003 1:46:58 PM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: AFreeBird
Any minute now, B2K and GE will be around to tell us that Linus/Linux is a commie plot to rob us of our precious bodily fluids.

They're late getting here. I guess they're fixing some broken Windows machine right now.

Right Mandrake?

Brilliant quote.
11 posted on 08/20/2003 1:57:17 PM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: AFreeBird
Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: Colonel... that Linux system. I want you to sue IBM. There may be some proprietary code in there.

Colonel "Bat" Guano: That's GPL'ed code!

Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: Colonel! Can you possibly imagine what is going to happen to you, your frame, outlook, way of life, and everything, when they learn that you have obstructed a lawsuit? Can you imagine?! Sue it! Sue! With a lawyer! That's what the lawyers are for, you twit!!

Colonel "Bat" Guano: Okay. I'm gonna sue IBM for ya. But if you don't succeed, you know what's gonna happen to you?

Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: What?!

Colonel "Bat" Guano: You're gonna have to answer to the Free Software Foundation.

12 posted on 08/20/2003 2:04:03 PM PDT by justlurking
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To: justlurking
In the context of the movie, it makes sense, but in this context, since Mandrake has a distro of Linux.....
13 posted on 08/20/2003 2:11:48 PM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: Bush2000; Golden Eagle; TheEngineer
The Coral Snake Ping.

Calling all Anti Commies and Anti Pirates

The TRUE Father of "Free Software"!!!

Rather than the snake pic I desided to place something a little bit more TRUTHFUL about the origins of the GPL and "Free Software" here to retaliate for the return of this rediculous Linux advertising.

14 posted on 08/20/2003 3:34:59 PM PDT by Coral Snake (Biting commies, crooks, traitors, islamofascists and any other type of Anti American)
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To: shadowman99; *tech_index; Salo; MizSterious; Sparta; freedom9; martin_fierro; PatriotGames; ...
OFFICIAL BUMP(TOPIC)LIST
15 posted on 08/20/2003 4:09:00 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (All we need from a Governor is a VETO PEN!!!)
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To: Coral Snake
Does Darl know you've found his stash?
16 posted on 08/20/2003 4:12:55 PM PDT by TechJunkYard (because... so much is riding on your wires)
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To: Coral Snake
And with your proclamation that free software is the brainchild of Karl Marx, you join Golden Eagle in my "virtual ignore" list. It's clear that you have no intention of dealing with facts or reasion, you're just here to trash Linux.
17 posted on 08/20/2003 4:32:21 PM PDT by Dimensio (Sometimes I doubt your committment to Sparkle Motion!)
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To: Coral Snake; Bush2000; Golden Eagle; TheEngineer
Calling all Anti Commies and Anti Pirates...<clueless Marxist rant>

Maybe when they get here, they can explain how when Windows is so stable and user-friendly, just today I had to get Windows Update to work again by tracking down the association of my .JS files with Windows Scripting and then issue the following commands in a DOS prompt on WinXP:

regsvr32 msscript.ocx
regsvr32 dispex.dll
regsvr32 vbscript.dll
regsvr32 scrrun.dll


Yet another broken wheel from M$. I just try to imagine my clueless friends or my mom (~70) trying to find that info or get it typed in. (I try not to take calls for support on anything but the most obvious things.) And how about that lovely open door they left in their Windows Update installer files that took months to close?

I don't think your buddies are going to show up soon. They have to maintain machines hobbled by Winbloze. You did hear that M$ was attacked yet again today. What is that, six major security attacks in the last week alone, two of them via Windows Update itself? And Microsoft is debating whether they'll even allow you to disable automatic updates as a reponse?

You're right that there are a lot of people under the sway of a totalitarian code tree but it isn't the Penguin People.
18 posted on 08/20/2003 4:34:34 PM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: George W. Bush
I don't think your buddies are going to show up soon. They have to maintain machines hobbled by Winbloze...

LMAO. Windows update is still a lot safer than ftp.gnu.org! I manage a network consisting of thousands of nodes, and we have seen it all the last 15 years. M$ is expensive but it is the easiest software to maintain by far. Patches are a requirement, but that's going to come no matter what your underlying O/S is IF the data you have is even worth protecting.

And 'integration' is the key, I am not particularly a M$ fan (other than for the adrenaline they provide our stock markets) but only a company that has an integrated solution is even worth considering as an alternate. Apparently Novell is going to try again now, and Sun is now trying to sell Linux on the desktop to compliment, blah blah blah, but unless you get a new hardware paradigm of some sort and provide a complete integrated solution, M$ will continue to rule. If you hate them so much, build a better product. No one has yet.

19 posted on 08/20/2003 4:55:37 PM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: George W. Bush
You're right that there are a lot of people under the sway of a totalitarian code tree but it isn't the Penguin People.

Damn straight.


20 posted on 08/20/2003 5:04:58 PM PDT by rdb3 (N.O.T.O.R.I.O.U.S. Nupe)
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