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California Needs Conservatism (by Rush Limbaugh)
The Wall Street Journal ^ | August 20, 2003 | Rush Limbaugh

Posted on 08/19/2003 8:57:06 PM PDT by Timesink

Edited on 04/22/2004 11:49:41 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Listening to some Republicans and conservatives on the possibility of winning the California governorship lately has been dismaying. "We don't really want to win this race. California is in such a mess it can't be fixed and we will be tagged as failures if we try. Let the Democrats continue to stew in their mess." Or a variation on this theme: "Whoever wins will not have a mandate so he/she will not be able to govern, especially with the huge Democrat majorities in the California legislature."


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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Editorial; Front Page News; Government; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: billsimon; calgov2002; california; conservatism; garycoleman; mcclintock; recall; recall2003; rushlimbaugh; schwartzenegger
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; NormsRevenge; Grampa Dave; farmfriend; Carry_Okie
Looks like we need to run a grave yard shift...
221 posted on 08/20/2003 6:05:06 AM PDT by tubebender (FReepin Awesome...)
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To: Timm
Ann Coulter is wrong, and so are you. There are a number of factors which make the election of a conservative quite possible:
  1. Liberals have run the state for some time now, and people are fed up
  2. Democrats will be less motivated to vote in a recall of a Democrat
  3. Voter turnout tends to favor Republicans, and especially conservatives, in special elections in California
It all boils down to the quality of the candidate, and his campaign.
222 posted on 08/20/2003 6:47:57 AM PDT by B Knotts
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To: holdonnow
There you go again ... I don't remember Rush saying any Republican is better.

Quite the contrary, yesterday he asked, "What is the benefit in having another liberal with an "R" after his name?" (Or words to that effect.) He's right, of course.

Carry on.

223 posted on 08/20/2003 7:14:01 AM PDT by truthkeeper
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To: budwiesest
I would like for the first words out the next governor's mouth to be: "Mr. Fox, we're putting up a wall".

From your lips to God's ear!

224 posted on 08/20/2003 7:20:14 AM PDT by truthkeeper
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To: tubebender
Some of these people have to be on the payroll.
225 posted on 08/20/2003 7:23:19 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (California! See how low WE can go!)
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To: quidnunc
Simon and McClintock are unelectable in California...

Which is exactly why the conservatives need to state their principles, explain why those principles are correct, and stand or fall based upon those principles.

They may not win the first time or the second, but the people will gradually come around.

RINOs like Arnold who want to fool their way into power only give conservatism a bad name, and in doing so, demoralize the ever-shrinking pool of conservative voters.

226 posted on 08/20/2003 7:44:20 AM PDT by snopercod
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To: Captainpaintball; Landru; Mudboy Slim; FBD; jla; cherry_bomb88; goldilucky; conservativemusician; ..
"...ENOUGH of the republicrats, NO MORE RINOs, VOTE OUT the socialist moles sent to destroy the Republican party from within!!! Conservative principles, beliefs and policy presented by a passionate, genuine LEADER can not, and will not, lose!!!"

Well said!!

227 posted on 08/20/2003 8:02:40 AM PDT by sultan88 ("But after I've been cryin' all night, the sun is cold and the new day seems old")
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To: sultan88; Mudboy Slim; Common Tator
"Listening to some Republicans and conservatives on the possibility of winning the California governorship lately has been dismaying. 'We don't really want to win this race. California is in such a mess it can't be fixed and we will be tagged as failures if we try. Let the Democrats continue to stew in their mess.' Or a variation on this theme: 'Whoever wins will not have a mandate so he/she will not be able to govern, especially with the huge Democrat majorities in the California legislature.'"

Imagine that, sultan.
Limbaugh's take (above) is almost verbatim to what the esteemed CommonTator had said -- almost 5 months or so ago -- concerning this entire recall effort.
Ain't that right, Mud?

The guy was spot-on once again, and, once again no one listened to the man.
He was wayyyyyy ahead of the curve, as he usually is.

...at least when the subject's American politics, he's been.

228 posted on 08/20/2003 8:23:34 AM PDT by Landru
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To: quidnunc
I don't understand why Rush is doing this...After hearing Bustamante's speech yesterday you'd think that we'd all come together and do what we have to do. But no, Death before Electability. What does Rush care? He lives in Florida. I mean it...I think he is really out of touch now.
229 posted on 08/20/2003 8:27:47 AM PDT by Hildy
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To: CyberAnt
The fact that Art Torres said that should give you pause...you can't possibly be that naive.
230 posted on 08/20/2003 8:28:52 AM PDT by Hildy
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To: Pukin Dog
>>>When I am wrong, I have no problem saying so.

Fair enough.

231 posted on 08/20/2003 8:31:47 AM PDT by Reagan Man
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To: Timesink
I agree. And I just am not convinced Arnold is the man for the job.
232 posted on 08/20/2003 8:33:07 AM PDT by rintense
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To: Princeliberty
AARRRRGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH...Schwartzenegger has come out ...probably the only thing he's said so far...that Proposition 13 is untouchable. Why do you people insist on continuing this lie?
233 posted on 08/20/2003 8:34:12 AM PDT by Hildy
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To: sultan88; Mudboy Slim
Conservative principles, beliefs and policy presented by a passionate, genuine LEADER can not, and will not, lose!!!"

This is an undeniable fact.

BTW...You boys need an address of where you can send my housewarmin' gift(s)?
And I do accept cash.

234 posted on 08/20/2003 8:42:57 AM PDT by jla
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To: quidnunc
Simon and McClintock are unelectable in California, the only role they can play si that of spoilers

Given the tanking that Ahnold is doing in the polls, it looks like he could be the spoiler. McClintock has a bullet next to his name, while Ahnold is sinking like a rock. Maybe Rush is right. Maybe it's time to show some courage and backbone, and have some faith in the moral certainty of your conservative beliefs.

235 posted on 08/20/2003 8:51:07 AM PDT by massadvj
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To: Timesink
California gets Bustamante!
236 posted on 08/20/2003 8:53:11 AM PDT by HitmanLV (I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.)
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To: Pukin Dog
I agree totally with Rush but unless McClintock, whom I would prefer also, can bring up his numbers, which could happen, I will have to vote for Arnold rather than let Busty get in.

We Californians are in a real pickle with the cost of living and all the increases by grayout davis and the foolishness with the water and electricity during his time in office. But there is another side to this. He is signing the most liberal types of bills. He probably will probably be signing bills until a moment before he leaves office. (Makes my blood boil)

237 posted on 08/20/2003 8:57:00 AM PDT by blackbart1
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To: Hildy
Hildy wrote: I don't understand why Rush is doing this...After hearing Bustamante's speech yesterday you'd think that we'd all come together and do what we have to do. But no, Death before Electability. What does Rush care? He lives in Florida. I mean it...I think he is really out of touch now.

After he regained his hearing Rush took his program in an entirely different direction.

He used to be an unabashed supporter of the GOP, calling himself The Majority-Maker and preaching that the GOP was the only party which could move the U.S. forward.

But soon after he got his implant he repudiated his Republican credentials and started calling himself a non-aligned conservative.

I can't help thinking that there is more there than meets the eye to his change of heart.

Three scenarios seem most likely to me: (1) He lost enough of his audience during his deaf period and he has decided that he needs a change of direction in order to regain market share, (2) he feels slighted by the Bush administration and doesn't think he is being afforded the deference which is due him or, and to my mind most likely, (3) he really has his heart set on this football commentator gig and he thinks that anything which smacks of boosterism for the Republican Party will hurt his chances.

Whatever the case, Rush is getting increasingly repetitous, egocentric and annoying — in short he's becoming a crashing bore.

238 posted on 08/20/2003 9:08:26 AM PDT by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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To: Hildy
He said that after Warren Buffet made his comments.

I did not lie, I said the guy who has as his adviser
the guy who thinks Proposition 13 is California's
leading problem.

And if Arnold means what he says why does he
keep Warren Buffet as his top adviser
and continues to not take a no new taxes pledge?
239 posted on 08/20/2003 9:13:27 AM PDT by Princeliberty
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To: Jim Robinson

A Time for Choosing, aka The Speech


Given as a stump speech, at speaking engagements, and on a memorable night in 1964 in support of Barry Goldwater's presidential campaign. This version is from that broadcast.

I am going to talk of controversial things. I make no apology for this.

It's time we asked ourselves if we still know the freedoms intended for us by the Founding Fathers. James Madison said, "We base all our experiments on the capacity of mankind for self government."

This idea? that government was beholden to the people, that it had no other source of power is still the newest, most unique idea in all the long history of man's relation to man. This is the issue of this election: Whether we believe in our capacity for self-government or whether we abandon the American Revolution and confess that a little intellectual elite in a far-distant capital can plan our lives for us better than we can plan them ourselves.

You and I are told we must choose between a left or right, but I suggest there is no such thing as a left or right. There is only an up or down. Up to man's age-old dream-the maximum of individual freedom consistent with order or down to the ant heap of totalitarianism. Regardless of their sincerity, their humanitarian motives, those who would sacrifice freedom for security have embarked on this downward path. Plutarch warned, "The real destroyer of the liberties of the people is he who spreads among them bounties, donations and benefits."

The Founding Fathers knew a government can't control the economy without controlling people. And they knew when a government sets out to do that, it must use force and coercion to achieve its purpose. So we have come to a time for choosing.

Public servants say, always with the best of intentions, "What greater service we could render if only we had a little more money and a little more power." But the truth is that outside of its legitimate function, government does nothing as well or as economically as the private sector.

Yet any time you and I question the schemes of the do-gooders, we're denounced as being opposed to their humanitarian goals. It seems impossible to legitimately debate their solutions with the assumption that all of us share the desire to help the less fortunate. They tell us we're always "against," never "for" anything.

We are for a provision that destitution should not follow unemployment by reason of old age, and to that end we have accepted Social Security as a step toward meeting the problem. However, we are against those entrusted with this program when they practice deception regarding its fiscal shortcomings, when they charge that any criticism of the program means that we want to end payments....

We are for aiding our allies by sharing our material blessings with nations which share our fundamental beliefs, but we are against doling out money government to government, creating bureaucracy, if not socialism, all over the world.

We need true tax reform that will at least make a start toward I restoring for our children the American Dream that wealth is denied to no one, that each individual has the right to fly as high as his strength and ability will take him.... But we can not have such reform while our tax policy is engineered by people who view the tax as a means of achieving changes in our social structure....

Have we the courage and the will to face up to the immorality and discrimination of the progressive tax, and demand a return to traditional proportionate taxation? . . . Today in our country the tax collector's share is 37 cents of -very dollar earned. Freedom has never been so fragile, so close to slipping from our grasp.

Are you willing to spend time studying the issues, making yourself aware, and then conveying that information to family and friends? Will you resist the temptation to get a government handout for your community? Realize that the doctor's fight against socialized medicine is your fight. We can't socialize the doctors without socializing the patients. Recognize that government invasion of public power is eventually an assault upon your own business. If some among you fear taking a stand because you are afraid of reprisals from customers, clients, or even government, recognize that you are just feeding the crocodile hoping he'll eat you last.

If all of this seems like a great deal of trouble, think what's at stake. We are faced with the most evil enemy mankind has known in his long climb from the swamp to the stars. There can be no security anywhere in the free world if there is no fiscal and economic stability within the United States. Those who ask us to trade our freedom for the soup kitchen of the welfare state are architects of a policy of accommodation.

They say the world has become too complex for simple answers. They are wrong. There are no easy answers, but there are simple answers. We must have the courage to do what we know is morally right. Winston Churchill said that "the destiny of man is not measured by material computation. When great forces are on the move in the world, we learn we are spirits-not animals." And he said, "There is something going on in time and space, and beyond time and space, which, whether we like it or not, spells duty."

You and I have a rendezvous with destiny. We will preserve for our children this, the last best hope of man on earth, or we will sentence them to take the first step into a thousand years of darkness. If we fail, at least let our children and our children's children say of us we justified our brief moment here. We did all that could be done.


"They say the world has become too complex for simple answers. They are wrong. There are no easy answers, but there are simple answers. We must have the courage to do what we know is morally right."

Ronald Reagan had vision and knew how to project it. The short-sighted vision of today's conservatives pales in comparison.

1 Posted on 12/14/1999 13:18:27 PST by Jim Robinson (jimrob@psnw.com)
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240 posted on 08/20/2003 9:16:29 AM PDT by michigander
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