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how in the world are peopls supposed to see they have changed what is in their heart?

Amazing. You just tore the pretty clothes off your naked Pharasaism right here, and didn't even feel the breeze.

This is your spiritual problem, right here, in your own words. By your own argument you demonstrate that you conceive of a changed life as consisting in dressed up externals.

Amazing statement...let's just repeat it so we can see what kind of a shallow assumption it tries to decorate: "how in the world are people supposed to see they have changed what is in their heart?"

Nothing could be less biblical than this sentiment. Paul would have answered it thus: "The fruit of the Spirit is evident, which is...love, joy, peace, etc."

John would say it like this: "BY THIS WILL MEN KNOW THAT YOU ARE MINE - THAT YOU HAVE LOVE FOR ANOTHER."

And so on.

But carry on. Get all those people dressed right. Sigh.

It amazes me how all the defenders of a weak worship service and rock music in the church twist the words I speak.

I said no such thing as you accused me of.

What I was saying is that people who claim to be saved should look the part, act the part, and believe the part for the sake of their own witness before men and angels.

But all you can do is take the idea of looking decent in church, take the idea of listening to Godly music instead of worldly music and make it into something I never suggested: Some form of outward judging. What I have constantly saying is: If a person is truly changed, there should be some evidences of it.

Wow, you guys are so marching in lock step on this, it just proves another point; that most of the church does not even know what it means to behave in the Church of God anymore.

I have to admit, I am stunned.

(Rev 3:15 KJV) I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.

(Rev 3:16 KJV) So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

(Rev 3:17 KJV) Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:

(Rev 3:18 KJV) I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.

(Rev 3:19 KJV) As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.