Posted on 08/19/2003 4:32:01 PM PDT by Pubbie
Edited on 05/07/2004 5:21:33 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
Arizona Republican lawmakers want the state to do an audit to find out whether undocumented immigrants are voting illegally, as backers of a proposed 2004 ballot measure suggest.
Seventeen House Republican legislators said Monday the measure, Protect Arizona Now, would do little to combat illegal immigration and alleviate the state's financial problems. They are among an increasing number of prominent politicians opposing the measure, which is being pushed by two Republican state legislators.
(Excerpt) Read more at azcentral.com ...
Too bad that statement is basically fantasy, for which there is zero evidence, and which is in fact directly contradicted by how the parties have really sided lately (and also by how Kolbe has hitched his wagon with democrats on this issue).
I think Bush and his cadre of RINO operatives have much to do with strong-arming many in the GOP/RNC to go along with his Open Border Immigration Agenda. Look at how he treats conservatives in his own party.
IMO, most RINOs are really Democrats that have infiltrated the republican party to get into office in areas where the democratic party is weak or where they see a strategic advantage of running with an "R" in front of their name. They like socialism. Especially the One World Kind. Truth is that RINOs are much closer to the ideology of the democrats than they are with conservatives. They don't care if the democrats benefit from illegal immigration at the expense of the Republican Party as long as they remain in power and get to line their pockets with Beltway money.
The only way to beat this then is for more conservatives to start getting out during the primaries and removing the Kolbes and Chris Cannons. They are killing this nation with their pandering and we will not survive another ten years of the status quo.
There's millions of legal Hispanics though, and it's entirely reasonable to want to bring them into the Republican party. They're just not doing a good enough job of making the distinction between them and the illegals.
They're also assuming the legal Hispanics favor open borders, but polls show that's not the case. It's that thinking by Rove in particular that is losing many base conservatives, pandering to illegal aliens is just not acceptable. But I'm not sure if he's ever going to understand that, he appears to keep pushing for amnesties and other benefits for them, totally ignoring those who voted for Bush.
I'd really like to see Tom Tancredo take on Open Borders Jorge in the Republican Party primary. At a minimum, it would force Bush to explain why he leaves our borders wide open to the Mexican Invasion. Why federal immigration laws go unenforced. Why the Treasury endorses the Bogus Matricula Card that Mexico is handing out like candy to its nationals. Why American Taxpayers should have to pay for the staggering welfare costs of illegal aliens because the Federal Government refuses to protect the Sovereignty of this country. ETC. ETC. ETC.
Maybe Tom could even get Bush to talk about why he thinks RED China deserves MFN trade status as thousands upon thousands of Americans see their jobs get sent overseas.
Bush has a lot of explaining to do and it looks like he is all too comfortable with his policy of silence on issues critical to this country's survival.
That is the only way.
This is a real immigration reform proposal. It acknowledges the unique dynamic of our Mexican/American border and immigration challenge. It has the President's support. Kolbe, Flake and McCain are going to introduce a measure that will get 21 GOP, and 176 Democrat votes like those opposed to Hostetter's amendment did?
I don't think so.
This is a good bill. No serious approach to the challenge of illegally resident foreign nationals, here today and coming tomorrow, can start without locating, identifying and processing the millions who are already here. 3,6,10 ... unknown millions ... can't be located through LEO action, they can never be identified, arrested, jailed, processed, deported and banished and they can, and will live, work and move among us without sanction or authority going forward. Clinton let them in with a wink and a nod, the Socialist welfare bureaucrats and lefty judges recruited them with promises of handouts and judges kept them on the dole, blah blah blah. It's another wound festering from that vile criminal gang.
That's the reality, they're here among us now. We need them to be counted, identified, given legal status and vetted as to background, intent and movement. That's only possible through measures such as this. These people WANT a legal standing here, they don't like looking over their shoulder, hiding their family, dependent on criminal types for the fundamental fraud under which they exist here.
They broke the law coming here, damn them all! Ok, now they're here, they're entrenched, and our national security demands that we get them on the books. There is no rational prospect for what many here propose as their elegant solution: "Immediately deport all illegal aliens." We need them to step up and present themselves with the secure promise they won't be arrested, they won't lose their jobs, and they won't be deported. We need to know who they are, where they live, what they are doing, and how they are moving through our borders and community institutions.
Screw the "rewarding the criminals" crap, with no promise of a legal work visa and immunity from deportation, we'll never solve the problem of the existing illegal aliens among us. If we make a guest worker process seamless and simple, if we understand workers and their families need access to each other, people will be coming through Border Stations, not wading across the Rio Bravo.
There's no other option. Illegal immigrants are no longer illegal if they are afforded a legal status. We need to get these people on the radar. This is a good bill.
The great charade being conducted by folks here on FR is the truth that even if every immigrant Mexican national entered this country through legal means, has been afforded naturalized citizenry or a guest worker visa through valid procedure - you'd still be completely up in arms. If every Mexican immigrant and their families were totally self supporting taxpaying law abiding community members - no welfare or public housing, medical and food stamps - you'd still be threatened, besieged and abused.
It is that they are here at all.
This is about economic fear, the fear EVERY new wave of immigrants creates within the entrenched locals. The new guys work the same jobs with the same level of skill as the natives. Rote nail-pounding construction work is a $18/hour job until the new guys from Juarez show up and demonstrate it is really an $10/hour job. The workweek at the construction site is 7am to 4pm, 40 hours a week anything more is voluntary time/half overtime, Monday-Friday weather permitting - until the new guys show up and offer to work 7 am till dark, 70 hours straight pay, Saturday and Sunday, rain or shine. Because $700/week is twice what they made working the same job, same hours back home IN A MONTH.
The welfare giveaway is a Democrat/liberal abuse. The borders ARE more secure now than in 1999, Mexicans are NOT storming into this country like a wave of locusts. Our language, culture and borders are not under seige from "invaders" bent on destroying our Constitution and soverignity. Illegaly resident and murder-intent Muslim terrorists are the threats of our dysfunctional Immigration regime, not Mexicans looking to pave driveways, lay sod or even grab medical care and welfare benefits dangled in front of them by corrupt socialists in our County offices.
Terrorist sleeper cells NEVER enter this discussion, it's Mexicans. It's George Bush and the RINOs. Always.
Every immigration and outsourcing discussion on FR is a panicked realization that the days of being paid first world compensation for third world skillsets and productivity are going bye bye.
Opposition to this bill has resonance with Dick Gephart's base.
The illegal immigration issue pits the Racial Identity/Welfare Democrats against the AFL/CIO Democrats. Republicans don't hold jobs imperiled by a Spanish-speaking guy newly arrived from Guadalajara, or at risk of being sent to India. Republicans know who is responsible for the Welfare giveaways and anti-taxpayer court rulings, it's not George W. Bush or Karl Rove or the GOP Congress. Republicans know the Constitutional limits of George W. Bush's power and authority. Republicans understand that the Daschele led Senate is the source of our Conservative agenda quagmire. We want to defeat them, not Bush and the Republicans who vote in concert with our priorities.
You people aren't the George W. Bush "base", he's never had, nor will he ever have, your support. You are all Rostenkowski/Gephart protectionist Democrats whose populist aversion to international trade, immigration and foreign engagements make you misfits in the GOP, yet whose pro-life, pro-gun and Christian social views make you personna non grata in the Democrat party. You have no political home, you are orphans stuck with guys like Buchanan, Savage and Tancredo to embrace.
Thanks for the belly laugh, however, with this "logic":
"Illegal immigrants are no longer illegal if they are afforded a legal status."
Hey - Let's make all crime, littering through murder, legal - then there's no crime!
Of course, watching him try to string together three sentences without a teleprompter may also explain his silence on any number of matters.
That's a good one, you're funny. Since I'm a lttle older than you it's a safe bet I was voting Republican before you were. And it was us "misfits" who proudly put -life, pro-gun and Christian social views Ronald Reagan in office.
Bottom line: mass immigration is a Wall St. Journal/libertarian philosophy, not a conservative one. I would say you're the misfit of the party, and if your views continue to be the dominant one it's going to take it down.
and Southern Mexico has a growing Islamic Population....
As dagnabbit adroitly pointed out: your pro-illegal immigration, open borders babblings amount to little more than unconditional surrender of America’s sovereignty as a nation. We can be thankful that you are not a U.S. General leading our troops into battle against ANY kind of enemy. You'd retreat before the first shot was fired.
Distilling down your exercise in circular logic and frequent bouts with irrationality a few obvious questions just jump out: If deporting illegal aliens and enforcing the immigration laws that are already on the books is impossible, how was it possible before the mid-1960s? How did President Eisenhower do it when he launched Operation Wetback? Why is that America had little problem with defending its sovereignty for 200 years but in the last 30 or so years cannot protect its borders or control immigration in any significant way? Why does just about every Democrat think like you do about Immigration?
If our government is unable or unwilling to control immigration or assert the integrity of America's borders doesn’t that suggest that America can be literally taken over, on the cheap, by any heavily populated country? You better brush up on your history about what happens to nations that allow mass influxes of foreign peoples into their borders with impunity.
Anyway, those pesky questions aside, we can thank you for giving us an insight into the tangled and confused minds of Liberal Republicans who, if honesty mattered, would be in the Democratic Party. Thanks also for giving us the inside dope on the Neo-Con mindset regarding the massive 3rd world immigration invasion that is encouraged by the entrenched Beltway Leadership against the wishes of the American People. If you honestly think Bush's views on immigration are in sync with the base of the Republican Party and the VAST majority of the America People you must not get out very much.
Unrestrained Immigration and the pursuit of One Way Trade Deals with 3rd world Communist countries are exactly the hot button issues which are causing great division within the GOP. If Bush and Co. don’t start listening to what most Americans are saying on these issues you can say goodbye to the Republican gains made in recent years.
Maybe that is what you want.
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.