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Once-prosperous family struggling on the edge
The Dallas Morning News ^
| Aug. 18, 2003
| SHERRY JACOBSON
Posted on 08/19/2003 10:33:27 AM PDT by new cruelty
DALLAS - (KRT) - Standing on a street corner in Coppell, Texas, last winter, Sheila Wessenberg questioned her sanity as she turned desperately toward a line of cars, held out a coffee can and prayed that someone would drop money in it.
"There is just no other way," she remembers telling herself. "This is what you've got to do."
A suburban mother of two, Wessenberg breathed in exhaust fumes, dodged impatient drivers and netted $13 that day. When she ran into the nearby Tom Thumb to spend the money on potatoes, milk and coffee, she says it felt as though everyone in the grocery store was watching her.
"Of course, they had just seen me out there on the corner begging for money so people were curious about what I was buying," she recalls. "The store seemed much quieter than normal. It was like something cosmic happened to me. It was so weird."
Desperation can be a disorienting journey when you've always lived a middle-class life.
Wessenberg, 44, says she resorted to panhandling because there was no other way to feed her children after her husband lost his job. But her desperate act may be something more - a sign perhaps - that the so-called American dream is going seriously awry for some families.
"It just got really, really bad," she recalls until it got to the point where neither she nor her husband was sleeping anymore.
"We'd gotten to the point where we were living on credit cards," recalls Bob Wessenberg, her husband of almost eight years. "That's when you know you're pretty near the bottom. When the credit card bills catch up to you, you're done."
So swallowing her pride, Sheila Wessenberg spent eight Sundays last winter panhandling on suburban street corners. She got good enough at it that she netted about $15 an hour, just enough for groceries.
What her donors couldn't know was that the smiling woman - toting a can labeled "Not a bum. I'm a mom, please help" - had been through hell before she planted herself on that street corner.
In the previous year, Wessenberg had been diagnosed with breast cancer. After her husband lost his six-figure job, she had to stop chemotherapy treatments. There was no way the family could afford health insurance when the premiums jumped to $837 a month. Her doctor gave her 18 months to live.
"More than once, I asked God, `What did I do to deserve this?'" Sheila Wessenberg says.
Public begging was a last resort in a long and painful process of dismantling their previous life. First, they liquidated his pension plan and cashed in their stock portfolio. Then they moved out of an expensive condominium in Las Colinas, Texas. And, finally, they sold off nonessentials such as her fur coat and jewelry, any furniture with value and even their washer and dryer.
Friends and family did what they could, say the Wessenbergs. But there was nothing, short of a good job, that would stop the family's downward spiral.
"It just breaks your heart watching them go through all this," says her close friend Tonya Perrine. "Sheila is the strongest person I've ever met."
Sheila Wessenberg's mother and six siblings have tried to be supportive from afar, sending money when they had it, visiting whenever possible.
"We'd love it if Sheila would move back here," says her mother, Sheila Sabbagh, who lives on Staten Island in New York City. "But things have changed since she left here 14 years ago. And we know that Sheila loves being in Texas. She won't give up on what she wants. She is quite a fighter."
A native of Brooklyn, N.Y., Wessenberg says she is resisting the temptation to return to New York City with her family. She worries about being forced to ride in the overcrowded subway again and live in claustrophobic conditions. Whatever comfort her husband and children might derive from being near other relatives would be diminished by such a dramatic culture change, she fears.
"The quality of life in Texas is much better," Wessenberg says firmly. "We just have to hope that the next time that phone rings it will be a job that turns all this around."
There have been some high points in the months of struggling to keep food on the table. In the midst of her panhandling effort, Wessenberg shared her family's story with a San Francisco freelance writer, who was compiling a book about 41 uninsured Americans - a group meant to represent the 41 million people in the United States who have no health insurance.
In the book, "Denied: The Crisis of America's Uninsured," author Julie Winokur wrote that "the Wessenbergs are running out of time and options." (The book was published in April and is available online at talkingeyesmedia.org for $10.)
The family's hard-luck story was plucked from the book, along with photographs showing Sheila Wessenberg panhandling, and was published in The New York Times Magazine on Feb. 9. Almost immediately, the Wessenbergs were inundated with phone calls of support, cards and letters containing cash and the promise of larger donations that would cover their house payments and other bills for a time.
As wonderful as the outpouring was, it forced the Wessenbergs to acknowledge how desperately they needed the money. "I've never asked for charity before. That's a fact," Bob Wessenberg stresses. "It's not a good feeling. But sometimes, there are no options."
Along with money, well-wishers sent groceries, clothing and toys. A Canadian company offered free chemo drugs if Sheila Wessenberg needs to take them again. And someone anonymously sent a new washer and dryer to their house.
Pretty soon, it was clear that the Wessenbergs were basking in their proverbial "15 minutes of fame," complete with the couple's appearance on the "Today" show in March. Asked on national television if she would panhandle again if her family needed money, Sheila Wessenberg responded: "You bet. To save my family, to go out and feed my kids, I sure would in a heartbeat."
While she hasn't gone back to panhandling, it is not because their lives have returned to normal. In fact, six months after the national publicity about their plight, the Wessenbergs are still heavily dependent on the generosity of strangers.
"We saved our house," Sheila Wessenberg says of their now caught-up mortgage payments. "The American public has come to our rescue in a major way."
But the generosity of strangers has not eased Bob Wessenberg's desperate search for the kind of job that would stabilize the family's situation. Each month, it seems, he lowers his expectations as he applies for every possible opening, including sales positions at local retail outlets.
Despite repeated phone calls, nothing promising has materialized.
"They read my resume and they figure if they hired me, I'd be gone in three weeks if something better came up," says the long-time computer programmer, who is certified to operate Lotus Notes, software used by businesses for messaging and document sharing.
But there are glimmers of hope. Bob Wessenberg signed a two-month contract in June to provide computer support at TXU Corp. "We can tread water as long as the contract lasts," he says. If the contract is not renewed, however, he will again be looking for a job.
It would be easy to blame the economy for his lingering unemployment. But Bob Wessenberg's fears go much deeper. He's worried that he has reached an age 52 that means snagging a well-paying permanent job with full insurance benefits may no longer be possible in his field.
Although he's well groomed and physically fit, Wessenberg doesn't try to disguise his graying hair. He wonders if his appearance automatically eliminates him from competition with younger workers.
"If they're looking at a guy who's 52 years old and wants a full-time job," he says, "and a guy in his 30s or 40s, it's tough to get anyone to listen to you."
While Wessenberg has landed a series of temporary jobs, usually earning between $11 and $14 an hour, they don't come close to paying for the comfortable life the Wessenbergs once knew, or even the scaled-down version they've been living for the past 18 months.
Although the Wessenbergs were able to buy a small house in Coppell a year ago with no down payment, they can afford to use the air-conditioning only sparingly and have learned to ignore the serious repair work the house needs. Last winter, they scoured the neighborhood for tree limbs to burn in the living-room fireplace, instead of using the furnace. They cut corners at every conceivable financial turn.
"I can now feed a family of four for $1.50," Sheila Wessenberg says with her usual blend of pride and humor that has cushioned the family's fall from the middle class.
For her part, Wessenberg works one day a week doing payroll records for a local company and spends most of her time taking care of 3-year-old Alex, who suffers from autism, and his 6-year-old sister, Amy.
"I have a handicapped child that one of us needs to be with at all times," Sheila Wessenberg says, explaining why she has not sought full-time work. However, she will grab periodic temp jobs when she hears of them.
As to her own health, Wessenberg prefers to remain optimistic. She was alive and healthy in June - the month she could have died had her doctor's 18-month survival prediction come true.
But when she returned recently from a visit to Dr. Dennis Costa at the Lake Vista Cancer Center in Lewisville, she didn't feel as positive as she'd hoped she would. The long-awaited visit and tests, which were free under an arrangement by the nonprofit Bridge Breast Network, are inconclusive, at best.
"All the blood work came back normal," Wessenberg says. "But one of the scans found a spot on my lung and my liver. The doctor couldn't say if it was cancer, but I'll go back for another scan in September. We're hoping it doesn't mean anything."
So she went home from the doctor's office that day and washed her kitchen floor, trying to put the test out of her mind.
"My house is a mess, and I've got laundry to do," she says. "God doesn't take people who have housework to do. Somebody's got to do it."
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To: Porterville
Things happen with families.
My family was a bunch of child-beating substance abusers. I no longer am on speaking terms with them, and I would rather eat ground glass than to have anything to do with them. My husband's family are mostly old, and live out of state on a fixed income.
We don't count on "family" for anything.
Tia
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posted on
08/20/2003 7:44:51 AM PDT
by
tiamat
("Just a Bronze-Age Gal, Trapped in a Techno World!")
To: TheSpottedOwl
I find pan handling is close to stealing. You are preying upon the generous instincts of the american people and giving nothing of value in return. You are making people miserable and guilty until they give you something to relieve the mental pain.
To: Sally'sConcerns
Just for comparison, you might want to read the story of the founder of this board, Jim Robinson. I believe it can be found under
History of Free Republic.
I'll see if I can find it and post a link for you.
To: Dick Vomer
I can't believe people here were critizing the woman for buying some coffee. I guess the parents should be limited to bread and water. That's why I made the comment about moon pies and RC Cola.
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posted on
08/20/2003 11:54:17 AM PDT
by
TheSpottedOwl
(I need a new tag line)
To: WorkingClassFilth
It's a different culture these days. You have to be superhuman to resist the lure of materialism. They don't call it the 'me' generation for nothing. To be fair, there are people these days who do the right thing, but still end up like the people in this story.
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posted on
08/20/2003 12:06:29 PM PDT
by
TheSpottedOwl
(I need a new tag line)
To: staytrue
I don't agree with panhandling. I figure most of them are substance abusers. Occasionally I'll give someone a buck if I have it, but usually I don't keep cash in my wallet.
This is the part of the story that gives me the biggest problem. I just really can't imagine a woman with her backround out there with a tin can asking for money.
226
posted on
08/20/2003 12:11:26 PM PDT
by
TheSpottedOwl
(I need a new tag line)
To: TheSpottedOwl
I agree it's a different culture. It's a distorted culture without the anchoring values and the religious absolutes we used to acknowledge. Many people ignore the hard-won wisdom we used to take as commonplace, but it doesn't mean that they (and our entire society) will escape the consequences. I also agree that it is extremely difficult to unplug and minimize the impact of a consumer culture, but I maintain that it can be done to a reasonably good degree by a few simple, but radical, actions.
1) Dump the television. I know, I know, there's all kinds of good stuff on it and I agree with that, too. My reason was that it was a terrific time waster. Much like the internet which I believe is living on borrowed time (with me). In addition, the endless commericals are designed by the most sophisticated manipulators we have in our society. The sole object is to fill people with disatisfaction with what they have and to desire more (and usually the wrong) things. Lastly, the values that are normalized in much of TV are the last thing I want in my house, so, out it goes.
2) Make your society people that are like-minded with you. For many that is church, homeschoolers, homesteaders or whathaveyou. This is the real culture that is important. Forget the pop-culture as a total waste of time. Develop bonds with others you want, and minimize time with those you don't want. The left perfected this in the 60's and 70's and called it the counter-culture. As one wag on this forum wisely notes in his screen name, conservatives need to form a 'counter-counter-culture.'
3) Make your family the first priority. Im not trying to preach here because I believe the vast majority of people that have children believe that is what they are doing. My point is that if you aren't making regular, focused time for your kids each day and extended family activities in the evenings or weekends, something else is intruding.
Most people living in $250-300,000.00 dollar homes in the suburbs would say: 'Duh, what's intruding is called my job! I gotta do things to make the kind of money I make to provide for the things I can provide for the family.' I won't criticise the work ethic or motives of those people. All I'm saying is that children rarely care what neighborhood or affluence level they are in. If they do, they are already well-steeped in the pop-culture. For me, the ability to do much as I please is worth far more than the ability to BUY things as I please.
4) The last thing I would add to the basic list of preventative measures is to homeschool. That, in itself, is no cure. I have seen many families that really don't do well at it and lack the kind of commitment that I have seen in families that really do do well. This measure really helps develop the values you want to pass on and gives the parents a great deal more time with their family in a teacher-student role. It also translates to other parts of the relationship. It goes without saying that the issue of poor choices for friends and peers usually is helped in the context of homeschools since associations provide plenty of socialization opportunities as well as like-minded families for friendship and support.
I don't pretend to have all the answers, but I have found a great many of my own. Seeing the success of these ideas at work in the lives of others, I conclude that anyone willing to take what seems to be radical steps (by current social standards) to achieve a more satisfying life, will be more than rewarded by other things than they would be through the loss of material pleasures.
To: TheSpottedOwl
A Message to Garcia
(I have not placed a background on this page in hopes that it will be easier to read and/or print out. Enjoy it and remember it was originally published in March 1899.)
In all this Cuban business there is one man stands out on the horizon of my memory like Mars at perihelion. When war broke out between Spain and the United States, it was very necessary to communicate quickly with the leader of the Insurgents. Garcia was somewhere in the mountain fastnesses of Cuba - no one knew where. No mail or telegraph could reach him. The President must secure his co-operation, and quickly.
What to do!
Someone said to the President, "There's a fellow by the name of Rowan will find Garcia for you, if anybody can."
Rowan was sent for and given a letter to be delivered to Garcia. How "the fellow by name of Rowan" took the letter, sealed it up in an oil-skin pouch, strapped it over his heart, in four days landed by night off the coast of Cuba from an open boat, disappeared into the jungle, and in three weeks came out on the other side of the island, having traversed a hostile country on foot, and having delivered his letter to Garcia, are things I have no special desire now to tell in detail.
The point I wish to make is this: McKinley gave Rowan a letter to be delivered to Garcia; Rowan took the letter and did not ask, "Where is he at?" By the Eternal! There is a man whose form should be cast in deathless bronze and the statue placed in every college in the land. It is not book-learning young men need, nor instruction about this or that, but a stiffening of the vertebrae which will cause them to be loyal to a trust, to act promptly, concentrate their energies; do the thing - "carry a message to Garcia!"
General Garcia is dead now, but there are other Garcias.
No man, who has endeavored to carry out an enterprise where many hands were needed, but has been well-nigh appalled at times by the imbecility of the average man - the inability or unwillingness to concentrate on a thing and do it. Slipshod assistance, foolish inattention, dowdy indifference, and half-hearted work seem the rule; and no man succeeds, unless by hook or crook, or threat, he forces or bribes other men to assist him; or mayhap, God in His goodness performs a miracle, and sends him an Angel of Light for an assistant. You, reader, put this matter to a test: You are sitting now in your office -six clerks are within your call. Summon any one and make this request: "Please look in the encyclopedia and make a brief memorandum for me concerning the life of Corregio."
Will the clerk quietly say, "Yes, sir," and go do the task?
On your life, he will not. He will look at you out of a fishy eye, and ask one or more of the following questions:
Who was he?
Which encyclopedia?
Where is the encyclopedia?
Was I hired for that?
Don't you mean Bismarck?
What's the matter with Charlie doing it?
Is he dead?
Is there any hurry?
Shan't I bring you the book and let you look it up yourself?
What do you want to know for?
And I will lay you ten to one that after you have answered the questions, and explained how to find the information, and why you want it, the clerk will go off and get one of the other clerks to help him find Garcia - and then come back and tell you there is no such man. Of course I may lose my bet, but according to the Law of Average, I will not.
Now if you are wise you will not bother to explain to your "assistant" that Corregio is indexed under the C's, not in the K's, but you will smile sweetly and say, "Never mind," and go look it up yourself.
And this incapacity for independent action, this moral stupidity, this infirmity of the will, this unwillingness to cheerfully catch hold and lift, are the things that put pure socialism so far into the future. If men will not act for themselves, what will they do when the benefit of their effort is for all? A first mate with knotted club seems necessary; and the dread of getting "the bounce" Saturday night holds many a worker in his place.
Advertise for a stenographer, and nine times out of ten who apply can neither spell nor punctuate - and do not think it necessary to.
Can such a one write a letter to Garcia?
"You see that bookkeeper," said the foreman to me in a large factory.
"Yes, what about him?"
"Well, he's a fine accountant, but if I'd send him to town on an errand, he might accomplish the errand all right, and, on the other hand, might stop at four saloons on the way, and when he got to Main Street, would forget what he had been sent for."
Can such a man be entrusted to carry a message to Garcia?
We have recently been hearing much maudlin sympathy expressed for the "down-trodden denizen of the sweat shop" and the "homeless wanderer searching for honest employment," and with it all often go many hard words for the men in power.
Nothing is said about the employer who grows old before his time in a vain attempt to get frowsy ne'er-do-wells to do intelligent work; and his long patient striving with "help" that does nothing but loaf when his back is turned. In every store and factory there is a constant weeding-out process going on. The employer is constantly sending away "help" that have shown their incapacity to further the interests of the business, and others are being taken on. No matter how good times are, this sorting continues, only if times are hard and work is scarce, this sorting is done finer - but out and forever out, the incompetent and unworthy go. It is the survival of the fittest. self-interest prompts every employer to keep the best-those who can carry a message to Garcia.
I know one man of really brilliant parts who has not the ability to manage a business of his own, and yet who is absolutely worthless to anyone else, because he carries with him constantly the insane suspicion that his employer is oppressing, or intending to oppress, him. He can not give orders, and he will not receive them. Should a message be given him to take to Garcia, his answer would probably be, "Take it yourself."
Tonight this man walks the streets looking for work, the wind whistling through his threadbare coat. No one who knows him dare employ him, for he is a regular firebrand of discontent. He is impervious to reason, and the only thing that can impress him is the toe of a thick-soled No. 9 boot.
Of course I know that one so morally deformed is no less to be pitied than a physical cripple; but in your pitying, let us drop a tear, too, for the men who are striving to carry on a great enterprise, whose working hours are not limited by the whistle, and whose hair is fast turning white through the struggle to hold the line in dowdy indifference, slipshod imbecility, and the heartless ingratitude which, but for their enterprise, would be both hungry and homeless.
Have I put the matter too strongly? Possibly I have; but when all the world has gone a-slumming I wish to speak a word of sympathy for the man who succeeds - the man who, against great odds, has directed the efforts of others, and, having succeeded, finds there's nothing in it: nothing but bare board and clothes.
I have carried a dinner-pail and worked for a day's wages, and I have also been an employer of labor, and I know there is something to be said on both sides. There is no excellence, per se, in poverty; rags are no recommendation; and all employers are not rapacious and high-handed, any more than all poor men are virtuous.
My heart goes out to the man who does his work when the "boss" is away, as well as when he is home. And the man who, when given a letter for Garcia, quietly takes the missive, without asking any idiotic questions, and with no lurking intention of chucking it into the nearest sewer, or of doing aught else but deliver it, never gets "laid off," nor has to go on strike for higher wages. Civilization is one long anxious search for just such individuals. Anything such a man asks will be granted; his kind is so rare that no employer can afford to let him go. He is wanted in every city, town, and village - in every office, shop, store and factory. The world cries out for such; he is needed, and needed badly - the man who can carry a message to Garcia.
To: WorkingClassFilth
Good post. I do have a couple of comments. Homeschooling is great if you can handle it. I suggested that to my daughter and son in law when they have children. I've lived in some pretty ratty neighborhoods. If that's all you can afford, fine; however don't ever invite the boss over to your house if you're making good money. People will rightfully wonder why you can't afford a decent home. You don't want your kids living next door to the neighborhood crackhouse or gang hangout. They tend to sniff glue and shoot off guns. I live in CA, and hovels go for 200k. Unfortunately I'm stuck here for who knows how many years.
Real quality time for your family is important. In today's job market, if you have to work 65 hours a week, you'll do it to keep your job, nevermind the money you're raking in. If you refuse to work insane amounts of overtime, you're history. Going into business for yourself is the ideal way to juggle family and employment, however the government makes you jump through continious hoops. They seem to actively discourage new business startups.
TV is the worst. All the advertisements geared to psychologically influence the viewer. I usually point that out to my kids when I see a particularly offensive one.
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posted on
08/21/2003 11:44:59 AM PDT
by
TheSpottedOwl
(I need a new tag line)
To: Dick Vomer
I read that a long time ago. It's a great story, and parts of it still ring true. Like I said to WCF, government seems to punish initiative. If you want to start your own business, it seems like you spend more time appeasing government entities, rather than concentrate on your plan of action. I've had some bosses from hell. I've also had to deal with the employees from hell. "Could you look that up for me"? "Sorry I'm on break". One girl actually said to a customer and put the customer on hold. This was a contract position for seasonal work. I proofread invoices, and this particular girl couldn't spell. She had the nerve to yell at me when I brought the 5th invoice back to her that morning because she had misspelt a backorder message. Hey you can't send out stuff like that to customers.
I agree with the message of this story, but this is 2003. I was raised with what I consider a good work ethic, and I've been called back on temp jobs when I was doing that. Great, you think they'd give me a little more than minimum because I did such good work? Ha! These days employers worship the bottom line, and there are 10 more to take your place. What they don't realize is that it costs them less to hire someone like me in the first place, then to hire someone who can't file, misspells everything, and works at the speed of snail. After they get rid of that person, the next person has to work twice as long to clean up the mess and do the job itself. That costs more money.
If I were an employer, I'd be on the lookout for someone who will clean up the file system without being asked, correct all the typos on the customer mailing list when things are slow. I'd pay them what they were worth to keep them too.
My son in law is working in a contract position for a mortgage lender. He is the first one there and the last one to leave. Last week he worked 65 hours. They keep telling him what a great job he's doing, but they're stringing him along about employing him permantly. As this is none of my business, I won't point out that perhaps they are looking for someone who will work as hard as him....for less money. It's a long way from 1899.
230
posted on
08/21/2003 12:11:15 PM PDT
by
TheSpottedOwl
(I need a new tag line)
To: TheSpottedOwl
Nah... it's not a long way from 1889. Truth, honesty, hard work.... read the essay again. It's about people who do the work the "right way" cause that's just the way they are. They're "weird". The do stuff right because that's the only way they know or want to do stuff. It's called integrity. In the Marines "Semper Fidelis" or "always faithful"... means they are never failing in their duty to God, Country or Corp.
When people talk about "this time is different" or "we live in modern times".... I call BS. Your son in law or you or I can work hard and not get the money we think we deserve....that's the "free market" ... if our talents are "worth" $80.00/hour then they will pay us that much. Remember the person paying determines what we are "worth"... we can demand whatever we want... we can THINK we deserve more, but the "market" tells us what we're really worth.
An example is jewlery.... buy some jewlery... step out of the store and try to sell it for cash... or get cash for it. If you can sell it for what you've bought it for then you have "fair" market... If not then.. you've paid a premium. Same thing with labor. Some people think that they are worth $40,000.00 or $4,000,000.00 per year, the employer makes the call.
Well maybe we should start our own outsourcing company for temp hire. Only "hire" those that follow the company motto of "Delivering this message to Garcia". just a thought.
To: Our man in washington; Hans; Protagoras
I think each of you has just felt something called "instinct". I think it has steered you right. This story in no way passes the smell test.
To: Phantom Lord
Yes--she says she won't go to NY because she insists that the quality of life in Texas is better.
In Texas she panhandles; in NY, she would have a roof, presumably living with and being helped temporarily by her family.
Hee hee. Kind of an insult to NY.
To: grizzfan
Ping to Post 228. It is a very interesting piece called A Message To Garcia. Have you ever seen this?
Oh, and you'll want to read the article this thread goes with. The woman's story was published, ahem, in the New York Times magazine.
To: TheSpottedOwl
What if I were to suggest moving to the interior of the country, someplace where a house can be had for less that $100,000.00 and that doesn't have to be in the epicenter of gangland violence? What if I were to suggest becoming a salesman in a big box store in order to hold the line on hours. What if I were to suggest that homeschooling become the most important task in your life since in the context of the family it is the main feature of a child's development? What if I were to suggest having sideline businesses instead of capital intensive start-ups?
What I suggest is simple.
It is the tradeoffs that are what many are simply unwilling to make.
To: Dick Vomer
Perhaps you misunderstood. There are plenty of people out there with integrity and a good work ethic. There also more and more employers who take advantage of the job situation. You'll work longer hours, not necessarily for the extra money, but to keep your job period. If you think you're worth 80.00 an hour, don't worry because your employer will replace you with an H-1B worker who will do it for quite a bit less. Workers are not even being given the opportunity to accept lower wages to stay employed these days.
Sure there are lots of spoiled puppies out there. I've worked with them. Ever go to your bank and see all new tellers in Walmart finery, not even bothering to hide their gang tats? Those folks are from the GAIN program, or welfare to work. The employer gets a tax cut for hiring them. What do you suppose happened to the bank tellers that used to work there? Oh and God you gotta love the attitude. Talk about BS, it goes both ways.
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posted on
08/21/2003 7:33:20 PM PDT
by
TheSpottedOwl
(I need a new tag line)
To: WorkingClassFilth
What if what you are suggesting violated a court order involving custody of a minor child? Can't leave the state. Anyway my mom has Alzheimer's and I wouldn't want to leave the state while she's still living. I like to keep an eye on her care.
I went back to school. We'll see what happens in the future. I don't disagree with what your saying, it's just that in my particular circumstances it's unworkable at the present.
237
posted on
08/21/2003 7:38:57 PM PDT
by
TheSpottedOwl
(I need a new tag line)
To: TheSpottedOwl; Texas_Dawg; Lazamataz
"Ever go to your bank and see all new tellers in Walmart finery, not even bothering to hide their gang tats? Those folks are from the GAIN program, or welfare to work. The employer gets a tax cut for hiring them. What do you suppose happened to the bank tellers that used to work there? What? Are you saying some government program meddling in how business works had unintended consequences?
I'm shocked, I tell you shocked!
Of course what we need is an immediate congressional investigation followed by a blue ribbon commission to give us a new set of rules dealing with this hiring program!
Yep that ought to do it!
I mean after all, if one is digging oneself into the ground purchasing a new shovel and digging harder is always the best course of action!
238
posted on
08/21/2003 7:52:44 PM PDT
by
Mad Dawgg
(French: old Europe word meaning surrender)
To: Mad Dawgg
Lol, it's robbing Peter to pay Paul. Welfare rolls are "reduced", the county has met it's quota. Meanwhile there are trained, unemployed people looking for work collecting unemployment. See? It's a shell game.
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posted on
08/21/2003 9:25:46 PM PDT
by
TheSpottedOwl
(I need a new tag line)
To: Mad Dawgg
My point is not that these people shouldn't have had better priorities when the money was rolling in. They should have.
My point is we all make mistakes, sometimes egregious mistakes, and that it is not graceful to only show mercy to those who are perfect...
There have been other such hard luck stories posted on FR and freepers are frequently pointing the finger and analysing everything these poor souls ever did, and then doling out their sympathies accordingly.
I remember when some Mexican woman tried to illegally cross into the US, and I think with a child with her, and she died of thirst in the desert. A great many Freepers were happy that she 'got what she deserved.'
All I'm saying is, we shouldn't wish too heartily that people always get what they deserve in life, because we might end up getting exactly what we deserve.
I think we should let her and her husband enjoy a cup of coffee in the morning.
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