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Why Texas Has Its Own Power Grid: the Electric Reliability Council of Texas
Slate ^ | August 18, 2003 | Brendan I. Koerner

Posted on 08/19/2003 7:51:15 AM PDT by new cruelty

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To: jonalvy44
Well, enjoy the snow (the temperate weather) because you'll be seeing A LOT of it in upstate NY!!! And the QBU for a senator??? Maybe the heat got to your senses!!!LOL!!


101 posted on 08/20/2003 6:47:22 AM PDT by texson66 ("Tyranny is yielding to the lust of the governing." - Lord Moulton)
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To: new cruelty
One reason that Texas has its own power grid is the same reason that it has its own air force -- the better to sever ties when Texas once again decides that it should be its own sovereign nation.
102 posted on 08/20/2003 7:30:27 AM PDT by Iwo Jima
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To: Iwo Jima
LOL, that's a thought, but do you really think there is any truth to that?
103 posted on 08/20/2003 7:33:05 AM PDT by new cruelty
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To: jonalvy44
why the personal attack? That was tacky.

It wasn't a personal attack. It was a retort to your joy at leaving Texas and moving to New York.

104 posted on 08/20/2003 7:43:28 AM PDT by sinkspur (Get two dogs and be part of a pack!)
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To: anotherdubya
Neither
105 posted on 08/20/2003 12:58:36 PM PDT by Aggie1 (Life is hard, it's even harder if your stupid.)
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To: jonalvy44
Do you know that N.American natural gas inventories are at an all-time low and prices will probably double or triple come winter.

Best start chopping that wood now.

106 posted on 08/21/2003 4:46:43 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: TexasCajun; Eaker
Many people just do not understand the problems that are coming up. So much of our National Economy is going to be affected by continued increases in Natural Gas prices. We have pushed a lot of new (and retrofitted some old) power plants into using Natural Gas because it is cleaner. Many homes now use NG for heat. Many petrochemical industries use it for feed stock to make plastics and chemicals, which are required for other industries. Tripling the price of NG affects the price of a huge part of economy.

Look at what many, many others have said this year:
http://www.naturalgasfacts.org/what_others/index.html#speak
107 posted on 08/21/2003 6:39:14 AM PDT by thackney (Life is Fragile, Handle with Prayer)
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To: thackney
Thanks for the link.
108 posted on 08/21/2003 3:28:57 PM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: TexasCajun
I keep it cold in the house...
109 posted on 08/21/2003 6:46:22 PM PDT by jonalvy44
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To: thackney
Tripling the price of NG affects the price of a huge part of economy.

If you are dead certain convinced that natural gas prices are rising faster than most people anticipate, then purchase some futures contracts to a) hedge the price increase and b) profit handsomely. Here is a historical chart of the closing price of NYMEX Natural Gas contracts. Here is the Energy Information Administration's weekly report. Some history on the NYMEX contracts; from this page, you can also click around for all contracts, current open interest on each contract, and closing prices. A rise is indicated, but not "triple". If you are correct, and put your money where your convictions lay, you would walk away an extremely wealthy individual.

I've learned to respect the futures markets. They tend to be fairly accurate price discrimination tools. Not perfect, of course. But what you are linking to is not positing some outlier event, which is what these markets are relatively poor at accomodating, but structural issues, which is exactly the type of issues these markets tend to price in fairly accurately. Please share any information you have that indicates a 3X price increase is dialed in, I just don't see the evidence.

110 posted on 09/02/2003 8:57:49 PM PDT by tyen
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To: tyen
The chart you posted has a 3X from low to high in a 6 month span.

Take your chart back 3 years. Now show me another energy source that had even 70% of the average increase. BTW I have made some very good money from Natural Gas Futures. I've lost a little now and then, but I've kept far more than I've lost. This problem keeps getting worse. Go look at the spot market for winters between 94 and 96. These prices drove some new pipeline building (the industry in which I work). The US seems to only respond to crisis.

Since 1987, there has been a strong push (and a good one I think) to move new electric generation to using Natural Gas for lower emissions and lesser dependence on foreign oil. At the same time, environmentalist have been shutting us out of our own natural gas resources. An forced increased demand and a forced decreased supply result in the current pricing.

111 posted on 09/03/2003 4:58:48 AM PDT by thackney (Life is Fragile, Handle with Prayer)
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To: thackney
Hm, adjusting for inflation, I agree there is a nominal increase, but what I read earlier in your post was a claim that we are about to see a secular market where a 300% increase is part of the landscape. It is this quantum change that I'm interested in hearing the evidence for.

Perhaps over the course of the next 4-5 years, if the Fed fails to contain the incipient price inflation that is the unhappy product of their meddling (I lean pretty far towards the Austrian school). I actually think that might happen. But this winter like TexasCajun thinks might happen, and to which you responded without denying the claim? That would imply the sudden breakdown of supplies. Wouldn't the 300% spike in March be attributable to Persian Gulf II jitters? You're saying then that we will have an event of similar scope and scale affecting supplies, but on a more secular timeline? Wouldn't low inventories be addressed by normal market pressures and replenished as suppliers competed to bring increasingly larger quantities of high-priced supplies to market?

Congrats on your astute trades. The futures market is too rich for my blood; violates my rule of not risking more than 2% of capital on any single play. Maybe in a few more years though, after I have socked away considerably more, which is why I'm following the market now.

112 posted on 09/03/2003 9:12:25 AM PDT by tyen
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To: thackney
I do not know what experience you have in protective device coordination ...

I THINK this is where FirstEnergy has failed ... AEP (American Electric Power) initiated a MAJOR upgrade of their 'protection systems' starting in about 1998 using "Cooper Power Systems' new Edison® Pro relays" as detailed here The Line, December 1997, AEP?s Development of a Substation Integration and Automation System.

MAJOR inprovements in sensing line conditions and power flow along with positive/assured breaker control probably saved them (they didn't collapse on August 14th).

The Edison® Pro series of relays also has bult-in logging of events including waveform capture (oscillographic recording) - I'll be interested to see what this shows leading up to the Aug 14 collapse.

113 posted on 09/03/2003 9:38:49 AM PDT by _Jim (Resources for Understanding the Blackout of 2003 - www.pserc.wisc.edu/Resources.htm)
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To: new cruelty
The local utilities that comprise ERCOT have pledged not to sell their power to interstate customers. As a result, the interconnection is exempt from most regulation by the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission,

FOR the record ... from the NERC "2003 Summer Assessment" report concerning ERCOT -

- excerpt:

2003 Summer Assessment
North American Electric Reliability Council

Interregional transmission transfer capability [HV inter-region Transmission lines] is limited to two DC ties ['ties' are lines that connect different regions] with SPP [Southwest Power Pool] that have a total capability of 820 MW.

ERCOT does not expect to require external assistance from those ties to meet the projected summer peak.

The "SPP" region is located to the east, north and north west of Texas ... I don't know where exactly the 'DC lines' are.
114 posted on 09/03/2003 9:52:15 AM PDT by _Jim (Resources for Understanding the Blackout of 2003 - www.pserc.wisc.edu/Resources.htm)
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To: new cruelty
Update: The HVDC 'tie' lines referred to in the ERCOT summer Assessment report are in North and East Texas respectively.

ERCOT NORTH (HVDC line) History Log

ERCOT EAST (HVDC line) History Log

115 posted on 09/03/2003 10:14:11 AM PDT by _Jim (Resources for Understanding the Blackout of 2003 - www.pserc.wisc.edu/Resources.htm)
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