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To: onedoug; Yehuda
So is your point then that Israel conspired with Amin to wipe out Africans?

No, that some Israelis did some particularly distasteful things, in part as payback to one of Israel's antagonists, and in part in probable hopes of gaining a little possible political support- in which they REALLY miscalculated, as they found out when Amin's troops assisted the El Al hijackers with their selectzia of Jews at Entebbe. And it likely does not particularly bother some Israeli arms dealers that they've feathered their own nests very profitably.

Not that Milton Obote was any great improvement over Amin, no more so than Golda Meir was over David Ben-Gurion.

Why then, by the more damning article, would Golda Meir have been, reportedly "shocked at his shopping list" for arms?

Probably at the possibility that being marked as such a supplier could have caused more difficulties for Israel. I still haven't heard what it was that Amin asked for that so upset Golda...aircraft? battleships? a nuke....?

As I wrote above, "Israel is always looking for friends." Is it so strange then, for them to have allied with a solidly British backed Muslim whom they hoped might tend to offset Islamist designs on then predominantly Christian southern Sudan?

No more so than if they'd allied with Pakistan. Or Iranian Mullahs over Iraq, as in Saddam's Iraqi-Iranian war. Though the *enemy of my enemy is my friend* aphorism has long been a watchword in the Middle East's shifting alliances, such backdoor deals have too-frequently returned to bite the supplier on the behind, sometimes really embarassingly so. As in Uganda. But at least Amin didn't kill any American sailors or machinegun their lifeboats with Israeli-supplied arms, as the Israelis did for the crew of the USS Liberty in '67.

It wouldn't be the first example of such international gambling gone wrong, where Israel later acted decisively against Amin's vindictive duplicitousness with Islamo-Communist hostage takers.

Nor the first time Israelis have killed their own to win a political point, as with BenGurion's orders to shell the Altalena lest it's supplies reach Jewish resistance movenments other than his own, well supplied by Russian Communists. If BG was willing to kill his fellow Jews, why should we think other Israeli leaders following in his footsteps would particularly be shedding any excess of tears for a few Ugandan or Sudanese Africans?

Or, is it just Jews in general that you have a problem with?

Well, some Jews to be sure; particularly the Jewish Communists and Socialists, and those who sell out their country to the Internationalists. But I took part in the '73 war on the Israeli side as a machalnik tank crewman. And you?

-archy-/-

10 posted on 08/19/2003 12:28:40 PM PDT by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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To: archy
But I took part in the '73 war on the Israeli side as a machalnik tank crewman. And you?

Not Israeli, but rode as a medic into plenty of combat with armored cavalry in Vietnam '68-69.

I see Jewish chosenness in religious terms, i.e., carrying ethical monotheism to the world, so I basically agree with what you say about communists (atheists) and socialists (its own religion, too) through which Jews abnegate God's oneness.

Believing then too, that America, as the Judeo-Christian nation, is also divinely chosen to project and carry goodness into the world, as no one else can on the same scale, I would never condem the people of Israel for what I actually see as the very few political foibles of their leaders.

Both our nations, I believe - though it often seems obscure, and even at times unobtainable through human corruption - yet share a destiny in Holiness.

12 posted on 08/19/2003 1:55:14 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: archy
But at least Amin didn't kill any American sailors or machinegun their lifeboats with Israeli-supplied arms, as the Israelis did for the crew of the USS Liberty in '67.

Except Israel didn't know it was a US ship.

13 posted on 08/19/2003 2:00:20 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: archy
"But at least Amin didn't kill any American sailors or machinegun their lifeboats with Israeli-supplied arms, as the Israelis did for the crew of the USS Liberty in '67. "

TINFOIL HAT ALERT.

Search FR for some previous threads on this issue, it's been argued to death many times, with the supporters of your conspiracy theory unable to answer the major inconsistencies in the conspirawhackjob garbage you are spouting.
20 posted on 08/21/2003 8:41:35 AM PDT by adam_az
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To: archy
"BenGurion's orders to shell the Altalena"

No, it was because the other militias broke an agreement which threatened the legitimacy of new central authority which the other factions had agreed to.

Ever hear of the Whiskey Rebellion, BTW?

Where do you get your history, Justin Raimondo? Or Noam Chomsky?
21 posted on 08/21/2003 8:43:16 AM PDT by adam_az
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