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Revealed: How Israel Helped Idi Amin to Take Power (Did Israel Help an Anti-Semite Seize Power?)
Independent (UK) ^ | Aug 17, 2003 | Richard Dowden

Posted on 08/18/2003 3:59:39 PM PDT by pinochet

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To: archy
"BenGurion's orders to shell the Altalena"

No, it was because the other militias broke an agreement which threatened the legitimacy of new central authority which the other factions had agreed to.

Ever hear of the Whiskey Rebellion, BTW?

Where do you get your history, Justin Raimondo? Or Noam Chomsky?
21 posted on 08/21/2003 8:43:16 AM PDT by adam_az
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To: archy
"Concur. [and with myself, too, I guess. Seems likely. But I don't think it's limited to monotheists; the Asatruist Nine Noble Virtues"

I'm not surprised that you would quote a "religion" reinvented and adopted primarily by white-power aryan supremacists, based on your previous posts.
22 posted on 08/21/2003 8:46:31 AM PDT by adam_az
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To: Yehuda
This is a very interesting account, different from what I've read before.

http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/History/Altalena.html

Is there primary source material available which documents this account?
24 posted on 08/21/2003 11:10:28 PM PDT by adam_az (.)
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To: Pikamax
"reading the Telegraph article, it looks like the typical make Israel look evil bias in the Independent article."

The Independent has Robert Fisk. Quite enough bias for any paper, I should think...

25 posted on 08/21/2003 11:19:24 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE.)
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To: adam_az
Concur. [and with myself, too, I guess. Seems likely. But I don't think it's limited to monotheists; the Asatruist Nine Noble Virtues"

I'm not surprised that you would quote a "religion" reinvented and adopted primarily by white-power aryan supremacists, based on your previous posts.

Well, if there were any white power aryan supremacists reinventing and adopting Odinism when I lived in the Faroes in the mid-1960s and first encountered those still practicing the *Old Religion*, you could be right. It was however pretty difficult to ignore, being our family was resident in Tórshavn, though Lutherans seemed predominant.

But it was in the comparative religion class taught by my Rabbi that I learned enough about those beliefs to begin to understand and appreciate their attraction to a feudal and seafaring people of the First Millennia. Or this one.

You ought to try that *learning* thing sometime....

-archy-/-

26 posted on 08/22/2003 7:52:09 AM PDT by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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To: adam_az
No, it was because the other militias broke an agreement which threatened the legitimacy of new central authority which the other factions had agreed to.

Ever hear of the Whiskey Rebellion, BTW?

I knew there had been one during the early days of US government; I was not aware that one had occurred during Israel's early days as well. What an interesting coincidence!

Where do you get your history, Justin Raimondo? Or Noam Chomsky?

I don't know either of those two fellers. But my maternal grandfather's account as one of the participants involved was of particular interest to me, as have been those firsthand versions I've heard from some of those who were also there, who likely opened up to me because of my lineal connection to him.

-archy-/-

27 posted on 08/22/2003 8:01:17 AM PDT by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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To: adam_az
Is there primary source material available which documents this account?

You might read the account by New York newspaperman-turned Hollywood screenwriter Ben Hecht, responsible for The Front Page, Scarface, It's A Wonderful World and dozens of others, and an author with some 35 books to his credit. One of the more effective propagandists and fundraisers for the emerging Jewish State, see his autobiography A Child Of The Century for his account of the fate of the Altalena and BG's role.


28 posted on 08/22/2003 8:10:36 AM PDT by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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To: pinochet
Looking Back on the Entebbe Raid

By Daniel C. Palm

It happens that July 4, the 225th anniversary of our Declaration of Independence from Great Britain, also marks the 25th anniversary of the heroic rescue raid by Israeli Special Forces on Uganda's Entebbe airport. Israel's moment and the characters involved are well worth remembering alongside our own, for in both events heroic deeds were accomplished, and insurmountable odds overcome by remarkable individuals. Most Americans have at least passing knowledge of our own country's founding; for many young Americans, however, the story of the Entebbe raid is entirely alien to them.

The hijacking of Air France Flight 139 began on Sunday, June 27, 1976 shortly after the plane left Athens en route to Tel Aviv. The hijackers included Palestinians masquerading as Latin American tourists, and two German terrorists with connections to the Baader-Meinhof group. This act of air piracy had been masterminded by Dr. Wadi Hadad, leader of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, with the probable support of Carlos Ramirez, a.k.a. The Jackal. Hadad also enjoyed the cooperation of Ugandan dictator Idi Amin, who had severed ties with Israel in 1972 and taken up the Palestinian cause, allowing Yassir Arafat's PLO terrorists to train in the country. Once they had landed in Uganda and separated the Jews from other passengers, the hijackers issued their demand: release of 53 convicted terrorists of various nationalities, most imprisoned in Israel. Failure to comply, they promised, would result in the systematic execution of the Israeli hostages.

How should the Israeli government respond? Pressure from the families of the kidnapped passengers to comply with the hijackers' demand was intense. But for Israel, release of the terrorists was not simply unpalatable, it was intolerable. Having been informed of the options, Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin authorized the secret rescue mission, Operation Thunderbolt, to move forward alongside a public posture of negotiation.

Prominent among those chosen for Thunderbolt was a young officer, Col. Jonathan "Yonni" Netanyahu, whose brother Benjamin would go on to become Prime Minister. Remarkably, Yonni was the son of an American professor of Jewish history, and had himself studied philosophy as a graduate student at Harvard. He emerged from the academy unscathed, however, consciously choosing a life of action informed by an intense patriotism for Israel. In his account of the rescue, "90 Minutes at Entebbe," William Stevenson includes this assessment by one of Yonni's men:

I was lucky to get into his unit. He did more than teach night marches through the desert, jumping from planes, moving fast from a helicopter in battle. He knew all the weapons but he made me see them as the means of preserving the nation. He taught me history and opened my eyes. Once final approval for the raid had been given, with the terrorists' final deadline approaching, Thunderbolt was set in motion, employing four C-130 Hercules transport aircraft to make the 5,000-mile round trip. One would carry commandos, supplies, and medical support, a second would carry Brigadier General Dan Shomron and a borrowed Mercedes-Benz painted black to resemble Idi Amin's limousine, the third a demolition team prepared to destroy or immobilize Uganda's MiG fighters, and the fourth fuel for the others.

One minute past midnight Uganda time, and mere moments after landing, the rescue assault began. After dispatching the two German terrorists and Ugandan soldiers, the team located the hostages and engaged in a furious 100-second firefight with their Palestinian captors, killing five PFLP terrorists and possibly capturing three others. A short 53 minutes after the Israeli planes had landed at Entebbe, 103 surviving hostages were on their way back to Tel Aviv, with the other Israeli planes close behind. The raid cost Yonni Netanyahu his life, as well as the lives of several hostages killed in the gunfire. Another hostage, 75-year old grandmother Dora Bloch, had been taken to a Ugandan hospital and thus was not rescued. She disappeared and must be counted another casualty.

While many in the United Nations condemned Israel's action, there was little doubt among Israelis that they chose the right course. A few days later, during a debate about the rescue in the U.N. Security Council, Israel's UN Ambassador Chaim Herzog said, "the Israeli action at Entebbe came to remind us that the law we find in statute books is not the only law of mankind. There is also a moral law, and by all that is moral on this earth Israel had the right to do what it did. Indeed it had also the basic duty to do so." Thomas Jefferson, Abraham Lincoln, and Martin Luther King would have approved these words.

If our country's great security and immense wealth have a drawback, it is that Americans have lost some of our political seriousness and intensity. Our survival skills as a nation grow rusty, because relatively few of us need exercise them. By contrast, Israelis know that every day will bring fresh challenges, and that the nation and its people must keep spirit strong and training up to par in order to carry them through times of turbulence, as they are experiencing once again. This Independence Day, remember not only our country's founding principles and leaders, but the spirited patriotism and sacrifice of Jonathan Netanyahu.

29 posted on 08/22/2003 8:17:24 AM PDT by Hunble
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To: adam_az; jmeadors
Search FR for some previous threads on this issue, it's been argued to death many times, with the supporters of your conspiracy theory unable to answer the major inconsistencies in the conspirawhackjob garbage you are spouting.

Was you there? There's at least one FReeper who was.

30 posted on 08/22/2003 8:27:39 AM PDT by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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To: Hunble
This Independence Day, remember not only our country's founding principles and leaders, but the spirited patriotism and sacrifice of Jonathan Netanyahu.

Just so. And also it's worth a salute in the direction of Germany, toward Oberst Ulrich K. Wegener, commander of the West German antiterrorist GSG9 strike team from 1972 to 1981, who accompanied the Israeli Unit 262 commandos on *The Entebbe Job* and was wounded by a bayonet in the hands of a Ugandan soldier.

Ulrich Wegener, 1997

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31 posted on 08/22/2003 8:40:40 AM PDT by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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To: archy
Thanks archy, at least you understood my reply.
32 posted on 08/22/2003 9:08:14 AM PDT by Hunble
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To: archy
Being there is meaningless in determining the knowlege and motives of decisionmakers 100 miles away, so that's a moot point.

The eyewitness accounts are even contradictory, so which one do you believe?
33 posted on 08/22/2003 9:59:33 AM PDT by adam_az (.)
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To: archy
Gosh, I'm so ignorant because I don't know your personal history, or about the interests of some French fags in the '60s in Odin fairy tales! So, so ignorant!

It's not the '60s and most of the Odin-followers these days are all neo-Nazi skinheads. Ignorant me for taking what you wrote in the context of the time and place we live, as opposed to some fruitcake fairytale followers in France 45 years ago.
34 posted on 08/22/2003 10:03:25 AM PDT by adam_az (.)
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To: archy
Curious that my point about enforcing central authority was willfully misunderstood by you, so as to avoid having to make a real response.

You are more interested in polemicizing and trolling than discussing.

Au revoir.
35 posted on 08/22/2003 10:20:52 AM PDT by adam_az (.)
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To: pinochet
Even IF it is true... so what? The US helped Saddam and plenty of other tyrants come to power. When you're propping up national leaders, you're bound to screw up sometimes. (Power corrupts, and all that.)

George Washington had a few things to say about the affairs of foreign nations which I personally agree with.

37 posted on 08/23/2003 8:17:03 PM PDT by Teacher317
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