NAZI AMERICA - A SECRET HISTORY [History Channel Program]

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[yarddog]

Actually I think murder is the right word although I agree it is a strong one.

I read Jerry Spence's book (Spence is the leftist/libertarian lawyer who represented Weaver), and I really do think the one's in charge intended to murder the Weavers, at least after the U.S. Marshall was killed, a killing which was self defense in my opinion.

[Ursus arctos horribilis]

Well. well. who would have thought it. The usual suspects have arived to do some not so subtle, lump them altogether white bread gentile bashing.

Now if only we can see them discuss who has always been at the forefront and led the muderous leftest causes from commies to present.

Yeah, yeah, I know, code words for racist, anti-semetic yadda, yadda, yadda, yadda.

But bottle blondes and gap toothed red neck losers is just a frank discussion of the Nazis as Morris the sleaze presents it.

[DoughtyOne]

Thanks for the correction. It's not very comforting to know what took place at Ruby Ridge, and that it's law enforcement participants were actually promoted. At least one took part in the events at Waco as well. Now there's a few choice notes for the resume.

[r9etb]

I really do think the one's in charge intended to murder the Weavers, at least after the U.S. Marshall was killed, a killing which was self defense in my opinion.

Certainly after the Marshall was killed, but I don't think that was necessarily the case before.

That said, the Ruby Ridge case is indeed a very low point in our history. The Weavers should have been left alone.

[gatex]

"...which would lead to certain suspicions regarding his response to any government agents who might come to call...."

What do you mean ?---

1. The U.S. Marshals fired first.

2. The U.S. Marshals killed the Weaver boy by a shot in the back as he ran toward the cabin.

3. The Marshals did not have a warrant and did not have LEO marking on clothing.

4. Lon Horiuchi, FBI sniper, killed Vickie Weaver from ambush ---the FBI did not announce their presence or ask anyone to surrender.

Source -- Idaho v. Horiuchi, No. 98-30149, -9 th Circuit Court of appeals, 5 June 2001

[rightofrush]

An over-looked and inadvertant point of the program: The Communists had much better PR than the Bund (ownership has its advantages).

[ctnoell70]

Does anyone on this website know of any KKK or Neo-Nazi hate groups in your region? I don't, but I know of some environmentalist terrorist groups that have stricken recently in my part of the country. Since leftist groups like the Earth Liberation Front are now at the top of the F.B.I's terrorist "watch list", I wonder if the History Channel will air a program on them? I doubt it. I knew there was a reason I stopped watching that cable channel!

[Wonder Warthog]

"I find it interesting that the History Channel focuses on the activities of a group that since the end of WWII has consisted mainly of maybe a thousand losers, excons and lunatics."

Got it in one.

"They should do a little more work on the far more numerous, better-connected and more successful American Marxists."

Agreed--but DON'T hold your breath waiting for it to happen.

[Tailback]

So when will the History Channel run "Communists in America"? There's plenty of proof out there like the Venona papers, declassified Soviet files, McCarthy hearings etc...

[rightofrush]

I happen to agree with you. Perhaps the Nazis were once a threat, but the major damage done to our country has been from the left, not the right. The Leftists are enshrined with cushy professorial jobs and news jobs while the right is demonized. The right has their lunatics from the Aryan Nations but they don't get published. The left lunatics are taken seriously and their programs are enacted into law.

The Nazis are of the Right? Nazi is a short form of National Socialist Workers Party.

You seem to have bought into the Leftist cant that rascist authoritarism is right-wing.
Right-wing political thought in America is based on adherance to the Constituion.

[Catspaw]

Does anyone on this website know of any KKK or Neo-Nazi hate groups in your region?

I can think of a few--KKK leader Michael McQueeney, Mercer WI. National Socialists in Minnesota (Minneapolis-based, I do believe) with members in WI. World Church of the Creator--now the "Creativity Movement," with one of the leaders living in South Milwaukee (their leader, Matt Hale, is awaiting trial for conspiring to kill a federal judge). Posse Comatitus, Shawano County WI (and in other counties in WI).

Why do you ask?

[gatex]

"...fired off a teriffic shot. It went through the front window through the back window ...."

Actually, it went through the window of the door on the porch that Vicki Weaver was holding open as Weaver and his friend were running to the house after being fired on by Horiuchi, from ambush.

The Court Case emphasized that only Horiuchi fired any FBI shots (also, there were no shots fired from the Weaver cabin.)

[SauronOfMordor]

2. He was guilty of purchasing a single sawed-off shotgun. The fed who sold it to him in a sting operation sawed it 1/4 of an inch too short so that Randy Weaver would violate the law if he bought it. At the time of purchase, Randy Weaver said he thought the gun was a bit too short, but the fed in the sting convinced him it was OK.

The actual situation was that the fed stingers asked WEAVER to make THEM a short shotgun, not the other way around. The showgun weaver produced had a barrel of exactly the minimum length, but the overall length was a teeny bit too short.

Whether it was Weaver who made it too short, or whether it "shrank" once the feds had it is open to dispute. Obviously, Weaver had no intention of making an illegal shotgun, otherwise he would have made it a lot shorter

[ctnoell70]

That was a rhetorical question. Did you read my entire post?

[wolficatZ]

"Where history becomes a lie"

[r9etb]

What do you mean ?---

I mean, when you take into consideration all that had happened in the months prior to the seige, the government was not entirely unjustified in thinking that Weavers would meet them with gunfire.

This site tells a tale (which seems rather well-balanced) of an apocolyptic clan whose matriarch, Vicky, had taken to "writing letters to government agencies peppered with phrases like 'The tyrant's blood shall flow' and 'Whether we live or die we will not obey you…war is upon our land.'"

This of course does not justify what the government ultimately ended up doing. It does, however, explain very well why they took the heavily-armed approach in the first place.

[Catspaw]

That was a rhetorical question. Did you read my entire post?

You didn't say it was a rhetorical question. You asked:

Does anyone on this website know of any KKK or Neo-Nazi hate groups in your region?

And I said I did--and named them.

And if you want to see representatives of two of the groups I named--the KKK and the National Socialists (the proper name for them is National Socialist Movement), they'll be in Indianapolis on August 24. Lucky Indianapolis, huh?

And I did read your entire post. In fact, ALF and ELF have been active in this state & the UP in previous years. Because local, state and federal authorities have cracked down on them--and putting a few in the slammer for extensive periods--they've found my state to be a bit too hot for them. And I'm damn glad.

[bigfootbob]

You toothlessPHOBE you! BTW, what is ZOG?

[Centurion2000]

Obviously, Weaver had no intention of making an illegal shotgun

The shotguns are not illegal per se, they are simply subject to a $5 AOW tax or an SBS $200.00 tax.

Randy Weaver was killed over a $200.00 Tax issue.

Here's a scarier thought. Can you imagine the IRS operating on the same principles as the ATF ? Burning people out of their homes for a 'suspected' tax shortcoming ?

[Chancellor Palpatine]

You're talking about the channel that does shows like "Mail Call", "The Color of War", and which did lengthy programs on the Venona intercepts.