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Sniper suspect is large white man; Shooter might be serial killer, sheriff says (Police profiling)
The Charleston Gazette ^

Posted on 08/17/2003 9:03:38 AM PDT by sonsofliberty2000

Sniper suspect is large white man

By Tom Searls and Charles Shumaker STAFF REPORTERS

Police speculated Friday that a large, white male driving a black pickup with an extended cab may be responsible for Thursday night’s killings outside two Kanawha County convenience stores, and possibly others.

Kanawha Sheriff Dave Tucker said at a Friday afternoon media conference that the killer “could be a possible serial-type murderer.”

Both victims of Thursday night’s convenience store shootings, Jeanie Patton, 31, and Okey Meadows, 26, were shot in the head area in a manner similar to the shooting of Gary Carrier Jr., 44, who was shot outside a Charleston convenience store Sunday night.

Initial tests of the bullets in all three shootings revealed the same characteristics, but investigators have not concluded the bullets were fired from the same weapon, said Kanawha County Chief Deputy Phil Morris.

“That’s one step closer to saying they come from the same gun,” Morris said. “We’ve just moved a big step closer.”

The State Police tests, which were completed late Friday evening, linked the three bullets to small-caliber weapons, Morris said. He declined to elaborate on the results of the preliminary tests. State Police weapon analysts will return today to continue testing the bullet fragments.

Patton was gunned down while pumping gas outside the Speedway convenience store on Campbells Creek Drive about 10:25 p.m.

Less than hour later, and about 10 miles away, Meadows was fatally shot outside a Cedar Grove convenience store.

Patton was shot in the head and Meadows was shot in the neck, police said.

Investigators think the two Campbells Creek residents were shot from a distance with a small-caliber rifle.

The Cedar Grove shots were fired from a distance of 60-70 yards, Morris said. “We don’t believe a handgun was used,” he said.

A person also at the Cedar Grove store was reportedly closer to the shooter than Meadows.

Patton was probably shot from a distance of 30 to 35 yards away, Morris said.

Investigators hope further ballistics tests will confirm or disprove that the bullets were fired from the same weapon. Despite the similarities found in the initial tests, it is possible different weapons were used in the three murders.

Carrier, of South Charleston, died after being shot in the head while standing outside a Go-Mart on Charleston’s West Side late Sunday.

City detectives said the bullet that killed Carrier was also fired from a small-caliber weapon.

Charleston police Chief Jerry Pauley — who attended a sheriff’s media conference Friday, along with representatives from the State Police, South Charleston police, the FBI and the ATF — said the Sunday shooting might be related to the Thursday night slayings.

“It could’ve been [by the same person],” Pauley said. “That fragment of a bullet was taken to the State Police lab to be checked.”

The combined police agencies formed a task force to investigate the homicides together and set up a headquarters at Charleston’s Air National Guard base, where they met Friday night, Morris said.

The full-sized black pickup might be the agencies’ best evidence, so far, Morris said. It was seen outside the Cedar Grove store, and a person told police they also saw it near the Campbells Creek shooting.

“The truck had been [parked outside the Go-Mart] about 20 minutes, and moved from one end of the lot to the other, where it drew attention,” Morris said. “Something just didn’t seem to right about that pickup.”

A witness told police he was certain the shots fired at Meadows came from the truck. “As soon as that shot was made, [Meadows] dropped to the ground and the vehicle sped away, spinning its tires,” Morris said.

While witnesses at Campbells Creek had told police about seeing a Corsica speeding away, investigators later discovered the black pickup also had been seen there. “That truck was spotted in the Campbells Creek area, fitting that description,” Morris said.

That also was the only sighting, if ever so slight, of the person authorities are looking for, the chief deputy said. “The information we do have is, it’s a larger, white male,” Morris said.

The suspect would not need to be an “exceptional shot” to hit the mark from about 70 yards away with a rifle, police said.

However, Morris said: “That was a difficult shot, no question about it.”

Both of Thursday night’s victims lived in Campbells Creek, but investigators do not believe they knew one another. However, because the two “lived basically in the same area” and “it’s very, very early in the investigation,” they have not ruled that out, Morris said.

Meanwhile, investigators have nearly ruled out any relationship with the March slaying of 29-year-old Randy Burgess outside the Kanawha City Kroger store. Burgess was shot with a high-powered rifle while leaving the store. No arrests have been made in Burgess’ shooting.

Tucker conceded, however, that a sniper suspect could have more than one weapon. “Everything’s possible when you’re dealing with an individual like this,” the sheriff said.

He said safety should be the main thing on the minds of area residents. State Police, sheriff’s deputies and municipal police will be increasing their presence near late-night convenience stores, especially those with gasoline pumps.

“We’ve increased the patrols like you wouldn’t believe,” Tucker said.

Morris and Tucker warned people to be cautious and to travel with at least one other person if they have to be out late at night. As a precaution, they advised motorists not to fill up late at night if they can avoid it.

“I would continue what I have been doing,” Morris said.

Police throughout Kanawha County have fielded calls about other shootings possibly related to Sunday and Thursday’s shootings, but none of those has proven true, Metro 911 officials said.

Anyone with information about the shootings should call 357-0169.

To contact staff writers Tom Searls and Charles Shumaker, use e-mail or call 348-5100.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Front Page News; US: West Virginia
KEYWORDS: banglist; sniperstyleshooting; wvsniper
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To: sonsofliberty2000
Police speculated Friday that a large, white male driving a black pickup ...

Maybe the means we should be looking for a small, black male driving a white pickup?

41 posted on 08/17/2003 11:41:48 AM PDT by templar
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To: ItisaReligionofPeace
Hmmm. What's the ratio of black population to blacks convicted of felonies?

I don't know, but the ratio for 20-29 y.o. black males is 2-1.

42 posted on 08/17/2003 11:42:33 AM PDT by mrustow (no tag)
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To: mrustow
Hey! There's nothin' wrong with Coors Lite!
43 posted on 08/17/2003 11:44:25 AM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions = Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: Ed Straker
Okay, I misspelled Schwarzenegger.

Didn't Swarzenegger once say "Someday everybody will know how to spell (or maybe it was pronounce) my name."?

44 posted on 08/17/2003 11:44:36 AM PDT by templar
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To: rdb3; Khepera; elwoodp; MAKnight; condolinda; mafree; Trueblackman; FRlurker; Teacher317; ...
Sniper suspect is large white man

Here we go again...

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45 posted on 08/17/2003 11:46:20 AM PDT by mhking
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To: ChewedGum
There's a reason for that; you're not supposed to. If the Zebra and other numerous black serial killers were properly publicized, how could the media and law enforcement always repeat the line with a straight face, about serial killers being predominantly white males?
46 posted on 08/17/2003 11:49:14 AM PDT by mrustow (no tag)
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To: ChewedGum
Remembering The Zebra Killings
By James Lubinskas
FrontPageMagazine.com | August 30, 2001


MOST SERIAL KILLINGS in America take on a life of their own through movies, books and documentaries. The crimes of Charles Manson, Jeffrey Dahmer and The Son of Sam are still well remembered years after they were committed. Yet there is one set of serial killings that has been almost completely forgotten and is rarely mentioned in popular culture.

The Zebra Killings occurred in the San Francisco bay area between 1972 and 1974 and left 71 people dead. They were dubbed the Zebra Killings because of the radio channel used by the police investigating the case (channel Z). The name would take on a more sinister meaning as it became apparent that a group of blacks was systematically stalking and killing whites simply because of the color of their skin.

Zebra (1979) was written by crime writer Clark Howard and remains the definitive book on the murders. Using court records, police reports, witnesses and interviews with the killers themselves, Howard was able to piece together the horrid details of the murders and the unrelenting hatred that inspired the killers.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.asp?ID=3693
47 posted on 08/17/2003 11:59:36 AM PDT by sonsofliberty2000
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To: sonsofliberty2000
Thankfully they know that the perp has a black pickup...This could be as helpfull as the white van tip in the original sniper case.
48 posted on 08/17/2003 12:03:18 PM PDT by gorush
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To: cake_crumb
Hey! There's nothin' wrong with Coors Lite!

I just sent your handle straight to John Ashcroft; you are clearly a person of interest. Indeed, anyone who would praise any brand of lite beer is clearly in need of scrutiny.

If I merely want to stimulate my kidneys, I'll drink a glass of water. If I want a drink, I'll have a beer or an ale.

49 posted on 08/17/2003 12:11:40 PM PDT by mrustow (no tag)
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To: cake_crumb
Is there anyone out there who can totally, absolutely confirm that Cheef Mooke doesn't have ANY connection to this case? AND, won't somehow try to add another chapter concerning this sniper to his book?
50 posted on 08/17/2003 12:19:36 PM PDT by solitas (PowerMac G4, dual 500mhz, OS 10.2.6 (VPC6+W2k for games & my 'virus beastiary'))
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What we need are more profilers, more experts, and more BS beauracracy. This apprach has been working so well lately...
51 posted on 08/17/2003 12:20:44 PM PDT by At _War_With_Liberals (Cruz "Chicano Power! Chicano Power!" Bustamante)
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To: mrustow
"Indeed, anyone who would praise any brand of lite beer is clearly in need of scrutiny."

FOFLOL...better measure my wrists for the cuffs then! Lite beer is the only kind I drink!

52 posted on 08/17/2003 12:24:19 PM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions = Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: solitas
"Is there anyone out there who can totally, absolutely confirm that Cheef Mooke doesn't have ANY connection to this case?"

I'm waiting to see if the driver simply heard the shot, panicked and took off out of the line of fire as fast as his wheels could carry him...and to hear the words "Like a Duck in a Noose" again...then we'll know for sure that Moose has hired himself out as a law enforcement consultant.

53 posted on 08/17/2003 12:27:52 PM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions = Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: sonsofliberty2000
Someone sighting a pickup with a large white man in it speeding from the scene is not enough to really mean a lot.

I suppose that West Virginia being mostly White, that it would be a good guess that it is a White man. On the other hand no one would ever make that presumption if a Black man were seen speeding away from the scene in Washington DC, profiling only goes one way.

54 posted on 08/17/2003 12:38:27 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: sonsofliberty2000
Police speculated Friday that a large, white male

Hey, if you say it enough, you're bound to be right once.
This might just be the time.

55 posted on 08/17/2003 12:40:09 PM PDT by LibertyThug (Dagny Taggart's alter ego)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
No offense but black people tend to be noticed in parts of WVA. I was there two weeks ago for a wedding and when we stopped at a restaraunt 7 guys showed up and stared at us through the window from the parking lot. As we left and got into our car some of them yelled "Welcome to West Virginia, n----rs." I suspect that the WestVA copycat blends in with the majority of the population.
56 posted on 08/17/2003 12:44:14 PM PDT by thathamiltonwoman
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To: thathamiltonwoman
' As we left and got into our car some of them yelled "Welcome to West Virginia, n----rs." '

That's dispicable.

57 posted on 08/17/2003 12:56:12 PM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions = Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: thathamiltonwoman
Trust me, not all of WV is like that. FR has proven through their exposure of idiocy everywhere that idiots thrive in all climates and survive about as much as a cockroach can survive a nuclear weapon (so they say). My apologies on behalf of WV.
58 posted on 08/17/2003 12:59:20 PM PDT by sonsofliberty2000
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To: thathamiltonwoman
I have seen the scenario you describe or something similar maybe a thousand times...on TV or in the Movies.

I grew up in the deep South and have never seen it happen in real life, not even once.

That is not to say it didn't happen but tho.

59 posted on 08/17/2003 1:15:50 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: thathamiltonwoman
I would imagine, if you could listen into one of these guys' conversations, you would find that these guys hate everybody.

They hate niggers, jews, catholics, protestants, baptists, out of staters, people who went to a different high school, people who live up the street and people who live down the street.

They are all the same.
60 posted on 08/17/2003 1:20:40 PM PDT by Bluntpoint
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