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Over 4,000 Pakistanis died in Kargil conflict: Nawaz Sharief ( India, Pakistan)
Rediff.com ^ | August 16, 2003 16:42 IST | PTI

Posted on 08/16/2003 7:26:38 PM PDT by IndianChief

Exiled former Pakistan prime minister Nawaz Sharief has said that more than 4,000 Pakistani troops and officials were killed during the 1999 Kargil conflict, which also sabotaged efforts to improve Indo-Pak relations initiated by him and Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee.

This was the first time that Sharief disclosed the number of Pakistani casualties, which were kept a closely guarded secret.He also admitted that Pakistan was defeated in Kargil, but said he covered it up by undertaking a visit to the United States, after which Islamabad announced a withdrawal.

Had he accepted defeat then, it would have demoralised the army and India would have got an 'opportunity' to invade Pakistan, Sharief said in a message read out at a joint opposition rally organised by the 15-party Alliance for Restoration of Democracy in Lahore on Thursday.

President Pervez Musharraf was the army chief during Sharief's tenure as prime minister. Sharief was later overthrown in a military coup and in 2000 exiled to Saudi Arabia.

Accusing Musharraf of masterminding the Kargil conflict, during which militants backed by Pakistani troops occupied the mountain peaks of Kargil in Jammu and Kashmir, Sharief said the entire operation was launched without the knowledge of his government. As a result, the Lahore process initiated by him and Vajpayee to normalise relations between Pakistan and India was sabotaged.

"Had Kargil not taken place, the Kashmir issue would have been resolved long ago," Sharief was quoted as saying in his message by the local media. Instead of accepting responsibility and resigning voluntarily, Musharraf overthrew his government under 'dictation from some other quarters', Sharief said but did not reveal who he was referring to.

Sharief alleged that Musharraf was also behind the protests staged by some religious parties during Vajpayee's visit to Lahore in 1999. Vajpayee was not given the honour equal even to that accorded to a delegation of parliamentarians and journalists, which recently visited Pakistan, Sharief said.

He said the political crisis faced by country was the result of the subversion of the 1973 constitution by Musharraf.

The rally was organised by the ARD in which the Sharief's Pakistan Muslim League and Pakistan Peoples Party, headed by self-exiled former prime minister Benazir Bhutto, are dominant partners. It passed a resolution against Musharraf and certain constitutional amendments and another demanding that Bhutto and Sharief be allowed to return from exile.

In her message read out at the rally, Bhutto said her party had held talks with the military leadership during the last three years to find a 'honourable way' to establish a constitutional government in the country. But the military regime did not honour its commitments, she regretted, as 'they were not sincere after we refused to endorse military rule'.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: india; kargil; kashmir; pakistan; southasia; southasialist
This was when they were holding the heights and the Indian Army was climbing up to attack. Many of the mountains were over 8000-10000+ feet high.
1 posted on 08/16/2003 7:26:39 PM PDT by IndianChief
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2 posted on 08/16/2003 7:32:29 PM PDT by Libertarianize the GOP (Ideas have consequences)
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Wow, the Indians managed to inflict some serious casualties. Especially considering they were fighting uphill at high altitude against an entrenched enemy. However, they took high casualties too, at least 2000 dead and god knows how many wounded.
3 posted on 08/16/2003 10:20:51 PM PDT by CanadianLibertarian
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Actually, I think it was more like 500, don't forget it was trained troops figthing slamofascistloons who probably thought they didn't need bulletproof vests. What's more significant is that the present 'President ' (in the same vein as the previous 'President' of Iraq) of Pakista: Mushi sabotaged a peace process which could have saved thousands of lives on both sides, saved a heck of a lot of money being spent by these two poor nations on weaponry and maybe, just maybe, have pushed the Talib out in 1999 so that 9/11 would never have happened.... And this is the loon we gave $3 billion to.
4 posted on 08/17/2003 5:16:48 AM PDT by Cronos (Reagan waz best, but Dubya's close!)
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To: CanadianLibertarian
, they took high casualties too, at least 2000 dead and god knows how many wounded.

I think the figure is something like 800+ Indian soldiers killed and 2000+ injured . One reason is that the Indian Air Force took out some of their more inaccessible bunkers, which would otherwise have caused high losses on the foot soldiers. Also , some field commanders took advantage of the Bofors FH77B's (?) high angle of elevation and used them as "rifles", the shells slammimg into the Pakistani bunkers while still on the way up. I think in the battle for Tiger Hill , a whole battery was used together, in this way to pound each Paki bunker one by one till they were destroyed.

5 posted on 08/17/2003 8:08:24 AM PDT by IndianChief
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don't forget it was trained troops figthing slamofascistloons who probably thought they didn't need bulletproof vests

the majority of the "islamofacist loons" were from the Pakistan Army's Northern Light Infantry. Lots of ID's were recovered from the dead Pakistanis. However, Musharraf had ordered them to abandon their uniforms and wear civvies , so that he could claim that the Pakistani Army was not involved.

6 posted on 08/17/2003 8:12:21 AM PDT by IndianChief
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To: IndianChief
Hmmm, so if the Pak army is so useless that they die like flies, why is the US supporting them? It seems like they're working against our interests in Afghanstan and probably sent in loons to raq. And yet we gave them $3 billion in aid. why?
7 posted on 08/19/2003 12:00:39 AM PDT by Cronos (Reagan waz best, but Dubya's close!)
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Did you know that the majority of the Saudi Army is made up of Pakistanis? Only the ranking officers are Saudi.
8 posted on 08/19/2003 12:42:22 AM PDT by USMMA_83
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Did you know that the majority of the Saudi Army is made up of Pakistanis? Only the ranking officers are Saudi.

Not only Saudi, but many Gulf armies are bolstered by Pakistanis who in return will be given full use of their more sophisticated weaponries . As Pakistanis already use this equipment, they will have no problem in operating them once it is delivered to Pakistan, in case of war.

This is why, when India and Pakistan nearly went to war last year, The Indian Eastern Naval Fleet was immediately shifted to the Pakistani coast alongside the Indian Western Fleet, so that no supplies could come through if a blockade was imposed. Even in the Kargil war, one of the reasons Nawaz sharif called on Clinton on the 4th of July , was the fact that the Indian fleets were ready to impose a blockade on Karachi port. That is why the Pakistanis are letting China build another deep water port, Gwadar, near the Iranian border, to thin out the Indian fleet. The Chinese , of course, get a base right in the Persian Gulf.

9 posted on 08/20/2003 7:34:52 AM PDT by IndianChief
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