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A New Day, Some New Science
Family Issues In Policy and Culture. ^ | August 15, 2003 | Pete Winn

Posted on 08/16/2003 12:12:19 PM PDT by Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS

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But while tyranny itself is nothing new, ... the tyranny of the scientific expert is the most crushing tyranny of all. That tyranny is being exercised most effectively in the field of education. A monopolistic system of education controlled by the State is far more efficient in crushing our liberty than the cruder weapons of fire and sword. Against this monopoly of education by the State the Christian school brings a salutary protest; it contends for the right of parents to bring up their children in accordance with the dictates of their conscience and not in the manner prescribed by the State.4America's Most Important Battleground: Christian vs. Secular Education

We are Christians, Catholic, Protestant, and Orthodox, denouncing the Democratic party as constitutionally anti-Christian. DNC: The Godless Party, Practical Atheism - Touchstone, April, June 03

The thermometer results show that white fundamentalists have positive feelings toward Catholics. Their score of 62 degrees was identical to the average score that Jews gave to Catholics and significantly warmer than the mean rating given to Catholics by the religiously nonaffiliated or by secularists. Our Secularist Democratic Party (Long, Important Analysis)

For the average American today, as for the average individual in Nietzsche's Germany, it simply makes no practical difference whether God exists or not. This is true in spite of those polls that show that 98 percent of Americans believe in God. Nietzsche, Kierkegaard, and the Death of God

Now, 25 years later, I am ashamed to be a Democrat. More than that, I have come to fear my own party. Hatred and corruption - the roots of fascism - are on the march in America as they have never been before, and leading this march is the Democratic Party. Increasingly, mainstream Democrats are uncomfortable with what we see in our party. We may not have a real name for it, but we know it is dangerous. DNC Fascists -WorldNetDaily, Bob Just, July 25, 2000

Aldrich is afraid the Hard-Left might use American national security and our War on Terrorism as a veil for its goal of a massive authoritarian government. Book Review: Thunder on the Left by Gary Aldrich

In those affidavits, two scientists, a philosopher, a theologian, and an educator, all of whom claim extensive knowledge of creation science, swear that it is essentially a collection of scientific data supporting the theory that the physical universe and life within it appeared suddenly, and have not changed substantially since appearing. SCALIA, J., Dissenting Opinion Edwards v. Aguillard, 482 U.S. 578 (1987) (USSC+)

Harvard Professor Steven Wise summarizes this radical revolution in legal theory occasioned by the adoption of Darwin's principles:

"To understand the strong normative appeal of evolutionary models, one must first appreciate that American law, like biology at the time of Darwin, faces the problem of providing a theory of creation which does not invoke a Supreme Being." E Donald Elliott, "The Evolutionary Tradition in Jurisprudence," 85 Columbia Law Review 38, 91 (1985). Elliott, who believes that the manner in which law is affected by the ideas that it routinely borrows from other disciplines has been largely unexplored, sets sail by chronicling how the Darwinian idea of evolution has affected the jurisprudential work of such legal scholars as Holmes, Wigmore and Corbin. Id. See also Jan Vetter, The Evolution of Holmes, Holmes and Evolution, 72 Cal. L. Rev. 343, 362 (1984) ("Holmes' The Common Law is first of all an account of legal change, and its object in this respect is to exhibit the workings of Darwinian evolution in law"). Evolutionary jurisprudence was often shunned during the middle half of the twentieth century due to that period's association of evolution with Spencer's racist and reactionary Social Darwinism. Elliott, at 59, 76. It is shunned no longer. Id. See Roger D. Masters, Evolutionary Biology, Political Theory and the State, in Law, Biology & Culture-The Evolution of Law 171 (Margaret Gruter & Paul Bohannon eds., 1983). [225] Do Laws and Standards Evolve?

The real danger of societal evolution rests, then, not in the fact that corrections are needed but rather in the fact that those "corrections" are made by a small, elite, and unaccountable group-and often by individuals whose personal values do not reflect those of "we the people." Evolution and the Law:

Pearcey analyzes "the crucial role played by the Darwinian view of origins" in the development of American legal philosophy. "Darwinism is not only a biological theory," she emphasizes; "it is also the basis for a comprehensive world view -- implying a new philosophy of mind, knowledge, morality, and law." Pearcey sees a direct connection between Darwinism and the postmodern view that "the only objective and absolute truth is that there are no objective and absolute truths." She argues that a "thorough-going critique" of judicial activism "must begin with Darwinism as a scientific theory." Pearcey advocates taking "the intellectual battle into science itself. The controversy over Darwin versus design is not a peripheral issue," she insists, "but lies at the heart of the cultural crisis of our day." Darwinian Roots of Judicial Activism

"I've been predicting this for 20 years - that ultimately this theory of the living Constitution will destroy us, it will destroy the federal courts," Scalia said. WorldNetDaily: Scalia: Supreme Court jester

When Justice Sandra Day O'Connor and the rest of that majority six-pack engage the lexicon of the "living and breathing" Constitution, unscrupulously asserting that the Founders intended it to have the oozy flexibly to conform to each capricious whim of the American people - not to mention conformity with foreign constitutions, their 'astute observations' are alarmingly consistent with the thinking of the central figure of the foregoing assessment - Karl Marx, author of The Communist Manifesto. SCOTUS:Desperately Seeking Nietzsche And Marx

To the question, "Can the state acknowledge God?" Judge Moore says not only "Yes!" but, more importantly, "It must!" He realizes that to fail to do so wipes out hundreds of years of Western civilization based on the rule of law, and ushers in an age where the law is whatever the presiding judge says it is. Just look at Supreme Court Judge Sandra Day O'Connor's flip flop on sodomy between 1989 and 2003.

Our nation's morality isn't being destroyed by activist judges - it is being destroyed by atheist judges, and it is time for God-fearing Americans to stand up and say: "Enough is enough!"Judicial atheism: Separation of God and state

Prayer has been purged from our schools. The Ten Commandments have been taken down from courthouse walls. It is now unconstitutional for Scripture verses to be displayed in national parks. Freedoms once taken for granted have been stripped away in the name of tolerance—and this has been done without a single law being passed.Atheists, Activist Courts And Constitutional Ignorance

The biblical paradigm of God > life > choice > sex proves to be the only foundation for civil rights in a free society, apart from which the only alternative known in human history is a slide toward some form of tyranny. It reflects God's sovereignty toward our fledgling nation that on the one hand strove for freedom and justice, but on the other hand had its full measure of sin. As Jefferson sought some higher authority than King George III to appeal to for unalienable rights - the only such authority ever set forth in human history was the Creator, the God of the Bible. Unalienable rights are those rights which are above any human authority to define, restrict, remove or otherwise separate from the individual and family unit. The Bill of Rights (the first ten Amendments to the U.S. Constitution), and especially the First Amendment, are rooted here (as we shall later examine). Only found in the God of Only Genesis. Genesis and the Declaration of Independence

The rest of the table demonstrates that secular voters and most religious minorities fell squarely in the Democratic camp. Secular voters favored Gore over Bush by an almost two-to-one margin. FT October 2001: America Fifty/Fifty

 Nearly four-in-ten (38%) say they would not vote for a well-qualified Muslim for president, and 15% express concern about voting for a well-qualified evangelical Christian. Far fewer say they would not vote for a Jewish (10%) or Catholic (8%) candidate. But fully half say they would not vote for a well-qualified atheist. Religion and Politics: Contention and Consensus

 Creation-Evolution Headlines

 

1 posted on 08/16/2003 12:12:19 PM PDT by Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS
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To: Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS
Behind you 100%. Good stuff. Just be prepared for the mind-numbed products of a gov'mint education to begin attacking any time now. They will call you all kinds of names. Ignore them. You have Truth on your side.
2 posted on 08/16/2003 12:19:40 PM PDT by LiteKeeper
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To: Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS
If ID is making 'inroads' it's only further proof of the failure of public education to turn out rational thinkers and the general decline in intelligence among the population.
3 posted on 08/16/2003 12:19:46 PM PDT by Honcho Bongs
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To: LiteKeeper

mind-numbed products of a gov'mint education

It does no good to argue ideas with those who will respond as brutes. Clarence Thomas

Those who have been fooled into thinking they evolved from brutes will probably act like it.

4 posted on 08/16/2003 12:25:11 PM PDT by Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS
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To: Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS
According to Meyer, "New discoveries in fields like palentology and molecular and cell biology are putting Darwinism under such intense pressure, it will not survive."

Such as?
5 posted on 08/16/2003 12:29:02 PM PDT by lelio
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To: LiteKeeper
To: Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS

Behind you 100%. Good stuff. Just be prepared for the mind-numbed products of a gov'mint education to begin attacking any time now. They will call you all kinds of names. Ignore them. You have Truth on your side.


2 posted on 08/16/2003 12:19 PM PDT by LiteKeeper



To: Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS

If ID is making 'inroads' it's only further proof of the failure of public education to turn out rational thinkers and the general decline in intelligence among the population.


3 posted on 08/16/2003 12:19 PM PDT by Honcho Bongs
6 posted on 08/16/2003 12:29:07 PM PDT by f.Christian (evolution vs intelligent design ... science3000 ... designeduniverse.com --- * architecture * !)
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To: Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS
Thanks.

Long overdue.
7 posted on 08/16/2003 12:33:34 PM PDT by Quix (DEFEAT her unroyal lowness, her hideous heinous Bwitch Shrillery Antoinette de Fosterizer de MarxNOW)
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To: f.Christian
Academic freedom BUMP
8 posted on 08/16/2003 12:36:18 PM PDT by Galatians513
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They have ... lost ((link)) --- a big one."

"They're like Napoleon's army in Moscow. They have occupied a lot of territory, and they think they've won the war. And yet they are very exposed in a hostile climate with a population that's very much unfriendly."

"That's the case with the Darwinists in the United States. The majority of the people are skeptical of the theory. And if the theory starts to waver a bit, it could all collapse, as Napoleon's army did in a rout."

9 posted on 08/16/2003 12:42:34 PM PDT by f.Christian (evolution vs intelligent design ... science3000 ... designeduniverse.com --- * architecture * !)
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To: Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS
I think Albert Einstein would agree with I.D.
10 posted on 08/16/2003 12:43:56 PM PDT by PoorMuttly (Have you patted YOUR Muttly on the head today ?)
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To: Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS
Intelegent Design?

For the work of a supposed Omniscient Omnipitent God it is really a piss poor shoddy design.

It is so clumsey that we have been improving on it for thousands of years with breeding programs for plants and animals, and will soon be doing it to ourselves by direct genetic manipulation.

So9

11 posted on 08/16/2003 12:48:41 PM PDT by Servant of the Nine (A Goldwater Republican)
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To: Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS
"ID is a theory whose time has finally come"


NO NO NO NO NO.


ID has not been PROVEN, therefore it is a HYPOTHESIS, not a THEORY.

(not directed at you, Vindiciae - This is a big pet peeve of mine-- the misuse of 'theory' over the correct 'hypothesis'.)

And save your flames - I'm not endorsing Darwinism here (although it has been observed in lab experiments with insects on multiple occasions). I'm just pointing out that, without the concrete proof of a Supreme Being being behind creation, it's a HYPOTHESIS, not a THEORY.

12 posted on 08/16/2003 12:49:10 PM PDT by Blzbba
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""Bill Gates, the computer guru behind Microsoft, has compared DNA to a computer program," Meyer said, "only much more complex than anything we've ever created. We ask people to reflect about that. Bill Gates hires computer programmers to design his software. If there is, effectively, software in the cell, that is powerfully suggestive evidence that there must have been a 'programmer' - an intelligent designer of life itself.""



Given what we've all witnessed in humanity, God must be a real poor software developer, to release 'software' that contains so many bugs.
13 posted on 08/16/2003 12:51:39 PM PDT by Blzbba
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To: lelio
According to Meyer, "New discoveries in fields like palentology and molecular and cell biology are putting Darwinism under such intense pressure, it will not survive."

"Darwinism" is a dead horse. No reputable scientist supports it anymore.
"Evolution" is another story. Punctuated Equilibrium is overwhelmingly supported.

So9

14 posted on 08/16/2003 12:52:13 PM PDT by Servant of the Nine (A Goldwater Republican)
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To: Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS
But while tyranny itself is nothing new, ... the tyranny of the scientific expert is the most crushing tyranny of all. That tyranny is being exercised most effectively in the field of education. A monopolistic system of education controlled by the State is far more efficient in crushing our liberty than the cruder weapons of fire and sword. Against this monopoly of education by the State the Christian school brings a salutary protest; it contends for the right of parents to bring up their children in accordance with the dictates of their conscience and not in the manner prescribed by the State. 4America's Most Important Battleground: Christian vs. Secular Education

Socialized education is at emnity (( war )) with freedom and private education ... independence of anything --- thinking is forbidden --- BLOCKED by infantile crippled minds --- radiation by lies - evolution !

Watch how these control freaks show up on these threads ... mind benders --- social engineers --- overlords on a troll stalk - kill !

You would think the management would notice !

15 posted on 08/16/2003 12:55:52 PM PDT by f.Christian (evolution vs intelligent design ... science3000 ... designeduniverse.com --- * architecture * !)
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They had a great "proving Darwin" show on with the chief scientists. In the end, that BIG seed of doubt remained and most of them admitted it.

Personally, I believe Darwin's theory is a big farce. There is a "behind" and "ahead" to evolution. And since evolution is incapable of stopping, they should be able to project your 200th relative, species that will naturally become extinct and new species that will come about. They haven't even begun to unravel the mysteries of life.

16 posted on 08/16/2003 12:56:46 PM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: Blzbba
ID has not been PROVEN, therefore it is a HYPOTHESIS, not a THEORY.

Evolution is far better supported than Gravity.
Both are Hypotheses.

Quantum Gravity of one sort or another, Relativistic Gravity, or even Newtonian Gravity have scientific proponents. The nature of Gravity has far less of a consensus than the nature of Evolution.

But things still fall and evolve.

So9

17 posted on 08/16/2003 12:56:47 PM PDT by Servant of the Nine (A Goldwater Republican)
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To: Servant of the Nine
Evolutionists defy science - gravity ... blobs --- they bounce and slither !
18 posted on 08/16/2003 1:00:24 PM PDT by f.Christian (evolution vs intelligent design ... science3000 ... designeduniverse.com --- * architecture * !)
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To: PoorMuttly
I believe Einstein emphatically endorsed ID.
19 posted on 08/16/2003 1:00:59 PM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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PING. [This ping list is for the evolution side of evolution threads, and sometimes for other science topics. FReepmail me to be added or dropped.]
20 posted on 08/16/2003 1:21:39 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas.)
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