[Those_Crazy_Liberals]

"What do you suppose the odds are that GWB is going to push to get the two versions of the PBA resolved and signed? Or is he just going to focus on ways to achieve "victory" in California?"

Bush is a winner. More sensible people prefer victory over defeat. What I call Arnold is a winner. What they'll call McClintock and Simon (again) is LOSER.

[grania]

Bush is a winner.

Absolutely. But, is he sacrificing his conservative values for this win?

More sensible people prefer victory over defeat. What I call Arnold is a winner

Here I disagree. "More sensible people" do not sacrifice everything they believe in for a hollow victory.

Arnold is an unknown. If he wins, we have a Republican Party that has lost its social values. If he loses, do we have anything left at all?