Posted on 08/15/2003 2:30:08 PM PDT by Lurking Libertarian
Pryor has been nominated by Bush for a federal judgeship - apparently there is no way in hell he would risk that opportunity by standing up for Judge Moore. Which makes me less inclined to support his nomination. Apparently federalism is fine and dandy unless it undermines your own personal power - which is exactly what got us into this mess in the first place - usurpation.
AGREED...
Isn't the problem here deciding how we are to decide the legality of court orders?
Do you really want to live in a country where each of us decides for ourselves what laws and orders we wish to obey and which we wish to ignore?
EXCUSE ME?
SECTION 3
Religious freedom.
That no religion shall be established by law; that no preference shall be given by law to any religious sect, society, denomination, or mode of worship; that no one shall be compelled by law to attend any place of worship; nor to pay any tithes, taxes, or other rate for building or repairing any place of worship, or for maintaining any minister or ministry; that no religious test shall be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under this state; and that the civil rights, privileges, and capacities of any citizen shall not be in any manner affected by his religious principles.
This is Moore's statement as to his reasons for putting the monument in the Rotunda"
""The monument serves to remind the appellate courts and judges of the circuit and district courts of this state and members of the bar who appear before them as well as the people of Alabama who visit the Alabama Judicial Building of the truth stated in the preamble of the Alabama Constitution that in order to establish justice we must invoke 'the favor and guidance of Almighty God,' "
The Court has an issue with the intent of the Judge, not with the monument. I have an issue with the Judge using his position as an elected official to initiate this situation without a mandate from the State Legislature.
The combination of Moore's statement, and the placement of the monument depicting the tenets of Christianity has the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of Alabama, in extra-judicial manner, defining God as the God of Judeo-Christian beliefs, in violation of the State's Constitution.
Not at all.. it is about the MORAL foundation of the laws themselves.... Our Nations foundation is ... ANYONE who holds an office in this Nation must swear an OATH to SUPPORT and DEFEND the Constitution of the United States... If you are ordered to VIOLATE your OATH, you MUST REFUSE the order and be true to YOUR OATH...
Do you really want to live in a country where each of us decides for ourselves what laws and orders we wish to obey and which we wish to ignore?
That is NOT the issue here... Judge MOORE is correct in rufusing an ORDER that would cause him to VIOLATE the OATH of his office... ANYONE who violates his/her oath will not be able to use the excuse that "I was told too..."
Can Judges like Thompson be impeached or recalled? Anybody know?
With all due respect, the issue is MUCH LARGER than the "stone slab" as you put it..... I wish you could see the AGENDA of the left that is being FORCED down our throats, at the same time WE are being told that we are "INTOLLERANT".... this is EXTREMELY important.. please do not be decieved into thinking that its all about ONE man, (Judge Moore)...... Judge Moore represents MILLIONS of us that oppose the liberals attempt to remove the very foundation of Nation that makes us strong.....
IMHO, I believe the Lord looks very favorably on those who stand up for the Principles that our nation was founded on.... and I, for one, put Judge Moore in that category...
Chief Justice Moore is 100% wrong and he full-well knows it. If the court of last resort ultimately determines that he is correct in his litigational theory and argument, he can then, and only then, follow the course of conduct he chooses. Until then he must comply with the order of the U.S. District Judge as affirmed by the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals.
When he unilaterally opted to disregard what on its face is a lawful order issuing from a court having jurisdiction of the subject matter and jurisdiction over his person, he deserves to follow M.L. King to the jail and spend time there for wilful contempt.
We are a nation and society of laws not men. I'd bet a year's pay that Chief Justice Moore has said that himself when admonishing a scofflaw for disregarding a court's lawful order to do something or to refrain from doing something, the latter in the nature of an injunction.
I have great respect for the judicial office of Chief Justice and the robes worn by the Chief Justice that represent 450 years of Anglo-American common law and constitutional tradition. In court I would address him with the deference due his office and the respect due his place in the common law heritage we enjoy.
However,regarding Justice Moore as a person who considers himself above the law of the land, the law that we have all contracted amongst ourselves to comply with and adhere to, Justice Moore is worthy of no greater respect or deference than the men with whom he should be sharing a cell in the federal lockup for being in contempt of the courts in whom we place trust to interpret and apply our law; whether constitutional, statutory or unwritten common law. He is a dispicable law-breaker and unworthy of the robes that hang in his chambers.
This fellow Moore is due precisely that which we attribute to any other person within the jurisdiction of our courts and law who believes that he is not bound by the law that binds each of us, the law that governs our conduct as a nation, a people, the law that he has taken an oath to uphold, protect and defend. This fellow Moore is worse than the moron who sticks a gun in the face of a convenience store clerk and steals a hundred bucks from the cash register. At least that criminal portrays exactly what he is and doesn't hide behind the cloak of a judicial robe. While, to the contrary, Moore not only knows better because he's been trained in the very law he flagrantly breaches or because he has benefited from the public education of one of our service academies and has had the faith and trust of the nation reposed in him as a military officer and ultimately as a judicial officer whom we honor and trust to hold high and enforce our laws, he is a far worse criminal than the convenience store robber.
Moore steals from all of us the ideal of a nation under law. He's the model for the next generation's law breaker who believes that obdience to our law is a matter of individual subjectivity; obey those you like and flaunt those you choose to disregard as not agreeing with your personal philosophy or whim.
There should be a special place in the lower regions for public officials like judges, police officers, and others in whom we repose our faith and trust to govern and enforce the law when they do the contrary. Moore fits that description in every regard.
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