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SUPREME COURT NOTEBOOK: Women, Jewish, Physician and Gay Groups Unite in Gun Case
Associated Press ^ | Aug 14, 2003 | Gina Holland

Posted on 08/14/2003 1:05:58 PM PDT by mdittmar

The National Rifle Association has plenty of company in a major gun rights case that the Supreme Court is considering hearing.

Among the organizations that have joined the case are the Pink Pistols, a group of gay and lesbian gun owners; the Second Amendment Sisters; and Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership. They are asking the court to consider if the Constitution's Second Amendment guarantees the right to own a gun.

At issue is an appeal filed this summer by some rugby teammates and friends who challenged California's assault weapons ban. They lost at the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco, which ruled the Constitution protects gun rights of militias but not individuals.

Their lawyer, Gary Gorski of Fair Oaks, Calif., mainly expected to receive support from conservative, male-dominated organizations. Instead, friend-of-the-court briefs backing the appeal were filed by two women's groups, the Jewish organization, a doctors' group and the gay gun owners.

"Women Against Gun Control asks this court to give due regard to the interest of women in equalizing things, be it in the workplace or a dark parking lot," lawyer Howard J. Fezell of Frederick, Md., told the court in a filing.

Pink Pistols lawyer Lisa Steele of Bolton, Mass., said justices have an opportunity to save the lives of gays who face hate crimes. A gun will help them "lawfully defend themselves against would-be gay bashers," she wrote.

Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership reminded the court that German Jews were barred from having firearms before the Holocaust.

"The tragic history of civilian disarmament cries a warning against any systematic attempts to render innocent citizens ill-equipped to defend themselves from tyrant terrorists, despots or oppressive majorities," wrote the group's lawyer, Daniel Schmutter of Paramus, N.J.

NRA lawyers, in their filing this month, said that the right of people "to keep and bear arms is a bedrock feature of the Anglo-American legal tradition."

California has not filed a response to the appeal. But the state defended, in the lower court, defended its ban of 75 high-powered weapons with rapid-fire capabilities.

The Supreme Court, after returning from the summer break, should announce this fall whether it will hear the case.

The case is Silveira v. Lockyer, 03-51.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bang; nra; silveiravlockyer
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Now this would make for an interesting looking group of protestors.
1 posted on 08/14/2003 1:05:58 PM PDT by mdittmar
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To: mdittmar
Politics makes for strange bedfellows.
2 posted on 08/14/2003 1:07:51 PM PDT by TexasRepublic
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To: TexasRepublic
Literally.... "Pink Pistols"
3 posted on 08/14/2003 1:10:46 PM PDT by adam_az
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To: mdittmar
These people should just be happy they can own any! We can't have people suing to reclaim their rights when there is a possibility they might lose! They should just be happy with what they have!

4 posted on 08/14/2003 1:11:39 PM PDT by toothless (the above post is sarcasm)
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To: adam_az; TexasRepublic; mdittmar; toothless
Literally.... "Pink Pistols"

I think I might be worried about their target recognition.

5 posted on 08/14/2003 1:17:01 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (Do not remove this tag under penalty of law.)
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To: toothless
We can't have people suing to reclaim their rights when there is a possibility they might lose!

If they lose some members of the SC need to be impeached for not being able to read plain English.

6 posted on 08/14/2003 1:21:30 PM PDT by chainsaw
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To: mdittmar
I can think of only two votes on the Supreme Court that are a sure thing in favor of an individual RKBA: 1) Scalia, 2) Thomas

Rehnquist is almost a sure thing, perhaps I'm being too paranoid, but for some reason I don't see him as a certainty.

You can forget about Ginsburg, Stevens, Breyer, and Souter - they're sure things against an individual RKBA.

That leaves O'Connor and Kennedy. I'd say Kennedy leans to and O'Connor against.

I don't like our chances if a case goes all the way to the Supreme Court.
7 posted on 08/14/2003 1:26:58 PM PDT by freedomcrusader
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To: freedomcrusader
I don't like our chances if a case goes all the way to the Supreme Court.

I don't like what happens if the court rules against us. This will not be a pretty thing. Might coincide with Hitlary as prez. That would be THE test of the Union. I won't say more.
8 posted on 08/14/2003 1:30:13 PM PDT by GatekeeperBookman ("impossible and radically idealist notions" * please inquire for clarification.)
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To: GatekeeperBookman
"From my cold dead hands."
9 posted on 08/14/2003 1:41:29 PM PDT by mdittmar
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To: mdittmar
defended its ban of 75 high-powered weapons with rapid-fire capabilities.

But they allowed numerous other rifles with the same rate-of-fire capabilities. I immediately went out and bought a couple when they passed the law. The difference? A pistol grip.

A rifle is evil if it has a pistol grip. But a rifle with a conventional stock is harmless.

Idiot politicians.

10 posted on 08/14/2003 2:12:32 PM PDT by hoosierskypilot
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Idiot politicians

Redundant

3. linguistics repeating meaning: with the same meaning as a word used elsewhere in a passage and without a rhetorical purpose;)

11 posted on 08/14/2003 2:21:49 PM PDT by mdittmar
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To: mdittmar
From Ninth Circuit Judge Alex Kozinski's dissent from the Circuit's order denying an 11-judge rehearing of the 3-judge panel's decision in this case:
All too many of the ... great tragedies of history -- Stalin's atrocities, the killing fields of Cambodia, the Holocaust, to name but a few -- were perpetrated by armed troops against unarmed populations. Many could well have been avoided or mitigated, had the perpetrators known their intended victims were equipped with a rifle and twenty bullets apiece, as the Militia Act required here. [Citation.] If a few hundred Jewish fighters in the Warsaw Ghetto could hold off the Wehrmacht for almost a month with only a handful of weapons, six million Jews armed with rifles could not so easily have been herded into cattle cars.

My excellent colleagues have forgotten these bitter lessons of history. The prospect of tyranny may not grab the headlines the way vivid stories of gun crime routinely do. But few saw the Third Reich coming until it was too late. The Second Amendment is a doomsday provision, one designed for those exceptionally rare circumstances where all other rights have failed--where the government refuses to stand for reelection and silences those who protest; where courts have lost the courage to oppose, or can find no one to enforce their decrees. However improbable these contingencies may seem today, facing them unprepared is a mistake a free people get to make only once.
Silveira v. Lockyer, 328 F.3d 567, 569 (9th Cir. 2003) (Kozinski, Circuit J., dissenting from order denying rehearing en banc).
12 posted on 08/14/2003 2:56:18 PM PDT by pogo101
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To: mdittmar
It's so sad that this is true, but in today's society, the gay group will help make the gunowners appear more mainstream, less "extremist".
13 posted on 08/14/2003 3:01:56 PM PDT by stands2reason ( CATHOLIC Freepers: Have you ever read "A Canticle for Leibowitz"?)
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To: pogo101
However improbable these contingencies may seem today, facing them unprepared is a mistake a free people get to make only once.

Stay safe,stay armed.

14 posted on 08/14/2003 3:10:22 PM PDT by mdittmar
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To: freedomcrusader
I see it this way:

Certain For: Rehnquist, Thomas, Scalia
Certain Against: Ginsburg, Breyer, Souter
Swing Votes: O'Connor, Kennedy, Stevens

Stevens is all over the page on his decisions on any number of issues. I think he must flip a coin when he wakes up in the morning.
15 posted on 08/14/2003 4:16:57 PM PDT by ought-six
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To: adam_az
It probably wasn't a pistol in his pocket. He was just glad to see him!
16 posted on 08/14/2003 5:33:27 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty
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To: mdittmar
bttt
17 posted on 08/14/2003 6:13:59 PM PDT by ellery
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To: ought-six
We must keep in mind that by the time this is actually heard by the Supeme Court, there may be a couple of new judges on the bench, and a couple of the present ones gone.

There's no way to predict what will happen between now and when the case is heard. This would be true just about anytime a suit is filed. It takes a while to wend it's way to the top of the docket--and anything can happen to people which could change the make-up of the court.

18 posted on 08/14/2003 7:11:31 PM PDT by basil
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To: mdittmar
Idiot politicians

Don't I wish! If they're idiots, how come they're running things and we're not?

19 posted on 08/14/2003 8:43:22 PM PDT by findingtruth
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To: findingtruth
if they were 'smart politicians' we'd be more screwed than we already are.
koz.
20 posted on 08/14/2003 8:49:22 PM PDT by KOZ.
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