[Aric2000]

Michael Behe, and Gould and Eldredge, ALL agree that evolution is the best theory to explain the available evidence, they just believe that evolution had a little help from a designer.

And if you called an ID'r a creationist, they would smack you upside the head.

They claim that they are NOT at all attached to the creationist movement, and yet you claim that they are.

You claim that Behe, Gould, and possibly Eldredge were creationists, they are FAR from it.

They believe that evolution occurred as stated, but with a little help from an "intelligent designer".

Geez, here I am defending IDr's, man, what is this world coming to?

[DittoJed2]

Aric, you see what you want to see. An intelligent designer is a Creator. The mechanism he chose to create with is what is in dispute, not the evidence of a creator. Behe et al may be theistic evolutionists. I never claimed they weren't. But they aren't Darwinists. They believe in an intelligent creator who created what we see, who put everything into place. And, NO, they would not smack me upside the head for saying so.

[f.Christian]

It' s a travesty --- a total fallacy to conform physical sciences to only a subjective * animal * - * material * frame of reference ... evolution has become a form of tribalism --- canibalism --- mindnaping --- slavery --- REPRESSION - TYRANNY !