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The Marriage Strike - Why are men reluctant to marry?
Radiofree West Hartford ^ | August 13, 2003 | Wendy McElroy

Posted on 08/13/2003 9:40:36 AM PDT by ddodd3329

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To: Screaming_Gerbil
Now, you might well wonder, why are American women carrying the Chip?

I think it's from television. Girls grow up watching shows with all of these not so subtle messages about how all men are cheating, lying, incompetent idiots and how all women are smart, wonderful, perfect beings and they can't help but develop "the Chip", especially once they get to college and encounter the groupthink leftism that pervades the environment there. This also explains why women from other countries don't have "the Chip", but frequently develop one after living in the United States for a few years.

381 posted on 08/14/2003 8:22:46 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves
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To: Quilla
You do know that you have something very rare and special in this world? You are blessed.
382 posted on 08/14/2003 8:24:25 AM PDT by najida (What handbasket? And where did you say we were going?)
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To: He Rides A White Horse
No, not Latina, but I am olive complected. I'm half Italian (mother's side) and half French (father's). With all the French bashing these days, I'm almost ashamed to admit it; however, my father was a pilot in WWII who lost two brothers while defending France. I'm proud to be his daughter.
383 posted on 08/14/2003 8:30:30 AM PDT by Quilla
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To: ken5050
Well, I've known a few of those situations, where the high roller husband essentially decided to trade in the 40-something wife who'd become a shrew for a 10-20 year younger 'trophy wife'. But, far more common, I think, are the other situations where a woman decides she's had it with the guy, and gets everything.

Some insight from H.L. Mencken here: in his 1922 book In Defense of Women, Mencken points out that for women, marriage is much more an economic transaction than it is for men, they seek a good provider for themselves and any children they may bear, security and status. He also suggests that men are more romantic than women. That may seem counterintuitive, but I think it is essentially correct. Mencken also says that in marraige, typically, women are more consciously aware of settling for someone who doesn't meet their original expectations than men are. Think about these ideas in the context of the fact that most nofault divorces are initiated by women. Curious.

384 posted on 08/14/2003 8:33:25 AM PDT by CatoRenasci (Ceterum Censeo [Gallia][Germania][Arabia] Esse Delendam --- Select One or More as needed)
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To: Quilla
Dang...another good one off the market :(
385 posted on 08/14/2003 8:45:17 AM PDT by xrp
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To: nobdysfool
You are the toxic female. It's women like you that make it difficult for a guy like me to find what and who I'm looking for. You will do anything you want to get your wants and needs met, then kick the guy in the nu*s and yell "NEXT!" It's all about you. What you want. What you need.
It's pathetic women like you who make me wonder if there any women that want a real man, and no, I'm not talking about macho,... rich, good looking, or anything like that. I'm talking about faithful, considerate, committed, knows how to be the head of the household without being a dictator, responsible, dependable, and all the other character traits of a real man.
You don't want a man like that because you couldn't control him. Any man you can't control is a man you will avoid.

Or try to destroy him.

You'll make up excuses like "he's boring", "he's too serious", he's not rich enough", but the real reason is you're afraid of him. You'll tell me I'm full of crap, but I've seen your type before, I've dated them, I've made the mistake of falling in love with them. Now I know what to watch out for.

I bolded part of your comment above, and only had one short comment of my own.

Not much to add to what you said, thanks you have a handle on it.

386 posted on 08/14/2003 9:09:36 AM PDT by Syncro
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To: Syncro
Or try to destroy him

You hit the nail on the head.

387 posted on 08/14/2003 9:15:07 AM PDT by riri
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To: SGCOS
"If you love me, you'd buy me a bigger diamond."

Thanks a WHOLE bunch, Kobe...

388 posted on 08/14/2003 9:32:17 AM PDT by null and void
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To: xrp
Why thank you sir. And to think, I didn't even have to mention my collection of Victoria Secret lingerie and Browining over and unders. ;) Honestly, I'll be hard pressed to keep up appearances next to my husband. His work (and the fact he rarely drinks) keeps his abs defined. My desk job and propensity to drink a beer requires me to do crunches. Ugh.
389 posted on 08/14/2003 9:37:41 AM PDT by Quilla
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To: najida
You do know that you have something very rare and special in this world? You are blessed.

Whenever I tried anything like that I'd be accused of feeling guilty about having an affair. This from a woman who would freak out if I came home 5 minutes late from my 40 mile commute.

When would I have TIME for an affair, even if I wanted to? - Like after a few years of this sh!t, I'd rilly, rilly want another b!tchy woman in my life!

390 posted on 08/14/2003 9:38:11 AM PDT by null and void
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To: najida; Quilla
BTW, I've never met or even talked to Quilla, but I've seen her posts over the years. I suspect her husband is understating the case...
391 posted on 08/14/2003 9:40:28 AM PDT by null and void
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To: riri
Amen. I'd been driven to the very brink of suicide.
392 posted on 08/14/2003 9:42:47 AM PDT by null and void
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To: He Rides A White Horse
Now skip ahead to when you are older, and married to such a woman. Maybe you start having health problems. Any woman who finds her own child expendable in such a way would find anybody expendable. Including her husband.

That is the truth of it, isn't it. The logic used to permit abortion and destroy a human life opens the door to terminate any form of human life deemed a nuisance to someone. I agree that I would not want to have anything to do with a women who had an abortion and did not regret or have remorse for her choice to end a life. Than again if there is any justice that women would end up ill when she is older and without any children to watch over her and the husband determines that she is expenable and terminates her when she is ill or lets her rot away in a low budget nursing home.

393 posted on 08/14/2003 9:44:15 AM PDT by Mat_Helm
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To: mattdono
depends which week you're talking about.
394 posted on 08/14/2003 9:53:41 AM PDT by VoiceOfBruck (please disregard what i just said. i didn't mean it. what i meant to say was)
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To: null and void
Well, you made it through. That's good.

What doesn't kill you does make you stronger, doesn't it?

395 posted on 08/14/2003 9:57:15 AM PDT by Syncro
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To: He Rides A White Horse
She's spoiled rotten, spoiled to the point where nothing and nobody will ever satisfy her.

Too true, and in many cases so self-absorbed they don't see their own self-destructive nature.

396 posted on 08/14/2003 10:01:09 AM PDT by Syncro
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To: Syncro
I hope so...
397 posted on 08/14/2003 10:02:09 AM PDT by null and void
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To: null and void
AH! You were married to my husband's sister!
398 posted on 08/14/2003 10:03:22 AM PDT by najida (What handbasket? And where did you say we were going?)
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To: Gorjus
Since Jesus himself said divorce in the case of adultery by the wife is valid, I think a case can be made that a man is truly married only to one wife if the first wife has committed adultery and has been divorced on that basis alone.

Nearly 2000 years of Church teaching disagrees. Jesus said that "Moses, because of the hardness of your hearts, allowed you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it has not been so". Such people might not technically be committing adultery (assuming that they divorced because of adultery on the part of their wife, and for no other reason), but they still fail the explicit requirements for church leadership given by scripture in Timothy.

Nothing I would advocate conflicts with the Bible, but some areas as are open to interpretation. If, for example, Jesus had never explicitly said that adultery is a basis for divorce, then I would agree with your understanding completely

In this case Jesus's words are irrelevant to the question at hand. The qualifications for church leaders are far more strict than those required of any believer. Even if you were to ignore (or deliberately mis-interpret) the explicit requirement that he only have one wife, the requirements also demand that he rule well over his house, and have a good reputation outside the church (i.e., even with non-believers). The act of divorce is incompatible with these requirements as well.

When the Bible provides room for interpretation, I try to be as tolerant as I hope Jesus will be with me.

Despite the modern attempts to insist otherwise, tolerance is not a virtue; especially when it means deliberately ignoring scripture in order to pretend someone is qualified for a position for which he quite clearly is not.

399 posted on 08/14/2003 10:10:02 AM PDT by Technogeeb
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To: Quilla
You sound like a wonderful woman. Too bad my stbxw isn't like you. I never missed an opportunity to tell her that I was proud of her, she was beautiful, that I loved her. In the end, none of that mattered.

Not even a year ago I would peruse these threads and think to myself: thank God I'm married and how awful it would be to get divorced.

So this is what hell is...

But in a twisted sort of way, having kids has made this more bearable. Oh, I've spent many a night screaming into my pillow because I can't be with them like I used to. But by the same token, I've come to realize that I no longer need to a woman to be a man. Being a dad is all that matters.

Too bad the courts don't see it that way.

400 posted on 08/14/2003 10:12:22 AM PDT by FreedomAvatar (Why aren't dads entitled to equal protection under the law?)
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