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City Council Mulls Appeal of Ten Commandments Case
CNSNews.com ^ | 8/13/03 | Lawrence Morahan

Posted on 08/13/2003 3:38:57 AM PDT by kattracks

(CNSNews.com) - In what has become a contentious struggle over First Amendment rights in Wisconsin, the La Crosse City Council is holding a special meeting Wednesday to decide whether to appeal a ruling in which a federal judge last month ordered the city to remove a Ten Commandments monument from a city park.

U.S. District Judge Barbara Crabb ruled July 14 that the monument made some community members feel "they did not belong in La Crosse unless they followed Judeo-Christian traditions.

"The First Amendment guarantees persons of all faiths that the government will treat them with equal concern and respect," Crabb wrote.

Francis Manion, senior counsel with the American Center for Law and Justice, called the order "separation of church and state run amok.

"As long as somebody in the locale takes offense at a particular display, the courts are bending over backward to make sure that this person is not offended. That's not what the Constitution requires," he said.

In a case that has taken a number of legal twists and turns, Crabb decided in favor of the Madison-based Freedom From Religion Foundation in a suit involving a monument installed by the Fraternal Order of Eagles in 1965.

After the foundation filed the lawsuit, the city erected a fence around the monument and sold the parcel of land to the Eagles Club in a bid to save the display.

Crabb ruled, however, that the sale didn't show the city wanted to end its endorsement of religion but instead was trying to "disguise its intent." She ordered the property's return to the city and removal of the monument.

Annie Laurie Gaylor, a staff member of the foundation - which represents 22 plaintiffs who objected to the public display of the Ten Commandments - called the sale "a new tactic of the religious right.

"What the judge said was that our government body cannot sell a prime parcel of real estate in order to keep a religious monument on it that was never supposed to have been placed in a public position in the first place.

"The Ten Commandments don't belong in our public parks, and the city of La Crosse couldn't just sell off a little bite of that park in order to keep the monument in the exact same spot of prominence," Gaylor said.

Meanwhile, the ACLJ is seeking permission to represent the Fraternal Order of Eagles, which owns the land and the monument.

The court ignored a valid sale between the Eagles and the city and, in effect, ordered the city to "trespass upon the Eagles' property and steal their monument," Manion said.

"What's at stake in this case is not the Ten Commandments. We're talking about the Magna Carta. We're talking about the basic right under our legal system to own and enjoy our own property and not to have it taken away except by due process of law," Manion said.

The 17-member city council is meeting Wednesday to vote on whether to appeal the judge's ruling.

La Crosse Mayor John Medinger has said he would veto a vote to appeal, Gaylor said.

"We don't know whether there are the votes to override that veto, but the mayor has been very clear that he does not want to appeal, and many people in the city have begged the city not to appeal, not to waste more taxpayers' money on a losing battle," she said.

The U.S. 7th Circuit Court in Chicago, which would hear a possible appeal, has ruled twice in the past two years that municipalities may not display the Ten Commandments in public places. Both of those cases were appealed to the U.S. Supreme Court, which also let them stand.

Religious conservatives are planning to hold a rally Saturday on the steps of the Capitol Building in Montgomery, Ala., in support of a monument installed by Judge Roy Moore, which features, among other writings, the Ten Commandments.

Speakers include the Rev. Jerry Falwell, Alan Keyes and Howard Phillips.

See Earlier Stories:
Judge Gives Moore 15 Days to Remove Ten Commandments
(Aug. 6, 2003)
US Supreme Court May Have to Decide Ten Commandments Case (Aug. 7, 2003)

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Alabama; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: aclj; alankeyes; howardphillips; jerryfalwell; lacrosse; purge; roymoore; tencommandments

1 posted on 08/13/2003 3:38:58 AM PDT by kattracks
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To: kattracks; lugsoul
After the foundation filed the lawsuit, the city erected a fence around the monument and sold the parcel of land to the Eagles Club in a bid to save the display.

This ought to be enough. It has private ownership and sits on private property. End of story. I think even Lug would agree.

2 posted on 08/13/2003 3:47:31 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: kattracks
The ACLU loathes America's religious heritage and will not rest til every public vestige of it is gone.
3 posted on 08/13/2003 3:48:06 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop
Its interesting to observe that the ACLU theophobes also object to the display of religious artifacts on private land. Which reveals their First Amendment "separation of church and state" objections are simply a smokescreen for their intolerance to any public profession of religion. As long as it behind closed doors, its OK but anywhere in public sight is verboten. I would love to know on what basis a federal judge can order the government to seize private property without due process of law simply because a group of individuals is offended by what's on it.
4 posted on 08/13/2003 3:53:47 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop
I completely agree but this article didn't mention the ACLU. The ACLJ, however, is seeking to help the Eagles.
5 posted on 08/13/2003 3:54:35 AM PDT by Texas_Jarhead
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To: kattracks
"The First Amendment guarantees persons of all faiths that the government will treat them with equal concern and respect,"

Is that what the 1st Amendment says?? I thought it said "Congress shall make no law..." I must have been reading a different Constitution. Sorry.
6 posted on 08/13/2003 3:54:49 AM PDT by aardvark1
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To: kattracks
Religious conservatives are planning to hold a rally Saturday on the steps of the Capitol Building in Montgomery, Ala., in support of a monument installed by Judge Roy Moore, which features, among other writings, the Ten Commandments.

My prayers are with Judge Moore and those who will be at the rally.

Can you list what the "other writings" on the monument are?

7 posted on 08/13/2003 3:55:04 AM PDT by .30Carbine
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To: aardvark1
Its not in the First Amendment. It says nothing about not being offended. To liberals being offended at the drop of a hat is plenty of justification to abridge rights to freedom of religious expression altogether.
8 posted on 08/13/2003 3:56:18 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: .30Carbine
Yeah. I wonder if the ACLU is also offended by those "other writings."
9 posted on 08/13/2003 3:57:17 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Texas_Jarhead
No but you can be sure they were behind it and they have the financial wherewithal to coerce governments to do their bidding, with the threat of lawsuits or with edicts from compliant liberal judges.
10 posted on 08/13/2003 3:59:31 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop
Again I completely agree. I just wanted to make that the ACLJ wasn't being confused with the ACLU. Thank God for the ACLJ and the ADL (Alliance Defense Fund).
11 posted on 08/13/2003 4:17:34 AM PDT by Texas_Jarhead
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To: goldstategop
"theophobe"

Great word. Thx.

12 posted on 08/13/2003 5:03:57 AM PDT by sauropod (Graduate: Burt Gummer's Survival School)
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To: kattracks
Tolerance is a two-way street. Are you offended by this monument? Why? It offends no-one? You don't belong? Then where are you?

Frankly, I'm offended by your being offended because the monument speaks of the History of our Country and if that offends you, you're in the wrong country.

13 posted on 08/13/2003 5:37:17 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: kattracks
Religious conservatives are planning to hold a rally Saturday on the steps of the Capitol Building in Montgomery, Ala., in support of a monument installed by Judge Roy Moore, which features, among other writings, the Ten Commandments.

Are there two rallies/protests? I thought there was one scheduled for Thursday, but this says a rally will be held on Saturday.

14 posted on 08/13/2003 6:09:08 AM PDT by Catspaw
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To: Catspaw
I don't have an answer to your question. If you're planning on attending, I'd suggest you get in touch with the organizers to check.
15 posted on 08/13/2003 6:49:49 AM PDT by kattracks
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To: Catspaw; kattracks
There is one rally: Saturday, August 16th, 10:00am.

There is one news conference: Thursday, August 14th, 1:30pm.

Sign up to pray!
(green are open slots)

16 posted on 08/13/2003 11:28:38 PM PDT by .30Carbine
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To: goldstategop; kattracks
I have found out that the other writings are quotes from:

The Declaration of Independence
The U.S. Constitution
The Alabama Constitution
and other historical documents.

Source.

17 posted on 08/13/2003 11:58:00 PM PDT by .30Carbine
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