CA: Top choices for conservatives seen as Simon or McClintock

Sac Bee ^ | 8/12/03 | Steve Weigand

[NormsRevenge]

By midday Tuesday, the number of candidates who had been certified for the ballot had reached 115, with at least another 122 still having their paperwork checked.

That number is expected to grow as county registrars continue to forward candidate paperwork to the Secretary of State's office. State elections officials said by the close of Wednesday a finalized list of candidates would be available.

[bd476]

"Actually looking back Wilson is even worse because we have Governor Davis because of the great damage he did the party."

Good point. And Deukmejian. And Jerry Brown, too.

[RonDog]

There are still plenty of people defending/supporting McClintock...
is there ANYONE on the FR supporting Simon?

Eight percent apparently do.

Of course, SIXTEEN percent think that Elvis is still alive!

Question ...

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Who would you support for Governor of Califonia?

McClintock
465 votes - 31%

Simon
127 votes - 8%

Schwarzenegger
798 votes - 54%

Other
82 votes - 5%

1,472 votes total

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

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[kellynla]

MCCLINTOCK COMING UP ON FOX THIS HOUR!

[capitan_refugio]

If one compares the top quality, noon-partisan political polls from the last Presidential elections for California, you will see that the they all had George Bush closing in the final days to within the margin of error of the polls. In other words, Gore still had a small, but perceptible lead among those polls and self-identified as "likely voters." As it turned out, Gore won by a hefty margin; much larger than the margin of error of many of the polls. What went wrong?

It is simple really. The pollsters used tried and true methods to idenify "likely voters" and almost all of them used live telephone contact techniques. therefore, they were under-represented in several voting categories ... Spanish speakers (usually non-citizens), the dead, family pets registered to vote absentee (One L.A. area newspaper estimated several hundred animals were registered to vote in L.A. county alone), and voters who had moved away, but were still registered at their old address. You may say, "These people can't vote, and yet the evidence shows that thousands of them did ... and everyone an illegal vote. Not all of the illegal votes went to Gore, but I would estimate the lion's share did so.

Some have estimated that as much as 10% of the California vote is fraudulent. With 15 million votes cast, that mean over 1 million illegal votes cast. This is a major Dumbocrap constituency.

Assuming Davis is recalled, I would hope that his replacement would immediately called for the voter rolls statewide to be purged, and that every person who re-registers be required to show proof of citizenship.

[capitan_refugio]

"noon-partisan"

Make that "non-partisan"!!!
Sheesh

[DiamondDon1]

I just do not get it...support for Arnold in early AUGUST means exactly what in early OCTOBER???

Until further notice, Tom is the man!!!

We will see where we all stand (hopefully a united front) in OCTOBER!!!

Now back to your regularly scheduled program...

DD

[sinkspur]

Tom says on Greta that he'd void the $42 million in contracts with electricity suppliers.

If Davis could have done that, don't you think he would?

This is the craziest thing I've ever heard. A contract is a contract, and McClintock is blowing smoke thinking he's just going to "void" them.

[Torie]

McClintock has this black bag theory that Davis did not attempt to void the contracts on the grounds that his negotiator had a conflict of interest with the energy companies, and thus did not pursue that legal line of attack, because it would embarrass him. It does strike me as bad law (you man being compromised is not a ground to set aside a contract unless the other side was involved in a conspiracy to defraud, and planted the mole; that should be a piece of cake to prove, not), and bad politics (because it is not creditable). My man is wrong here, I think.

[DiamondDon1]

Hello sinkspur (don't think I have yet had the pleasure...)

Davis cannot void the contracts unless he ADMITS that he or the PEOPLE negotiating the contracts had a CONFLICT OF INTEREST, which would nullify the contracts. Davis could simply ADMIT that HE HIRED THESE PEOPLE but when exactly has Davis said he EVER did ANYTHING wrong...

(...crickets...crickets...crickets...)

That is why Tom has said he CAN acknowledge the C-O-I and nullify the contracts...

Does that clear it up??? Hope so...

DD

[sinkspur]

That is why Tom has said he CAN acknowledge the C-O-I and nullify the contracts...

Does that clear it up??? Hope so...

No it doesn't clear it up. "Conflict of interest" is the state of California's problem, not Entergy's or Reliant's.

"Voiding contracts" is a canard. There will have to be litigation, and until the litigation is resolved, the contracts will remain in force.

[jwalsh07]

What are the legal niceties if Davis resigns and Bustamente ascends to the throne?

[Torie]

Unless Bustamante either refuses to ascend to governor (likely perhaps, and this bit is the only opaque piece of the puzzle, but not that opaque, in that he can simply refuse to be sworn in), or wins the replacement election of the recalled Davis, or Davis wins the recall election after having resigned (the latter is almost Shakesperian), Bustamante is out of a job, and will be a private citizen. The California Supreme Court actually has this habit of following the law, so this opinion of mine as to the outcome has a high probability of being accurate.

[alwaysconservative]

Simon, a Pacific Palisades investor and businessman, made his political debut last year as the 2002 Republican gubernatorial candidate. He lost to Davis by about 5 percentage points.

McClintock, a state Senator from Simi Valley, has served two stints totaling 19 years in the Legislature and twice ran unsuccessfully as the Republican candidate for state controller, in 1994 and 2002.

Great, a one-time loser during a Republican tsunami year against the most unpopular governor EVER and a two-time loser who is also almost unknown after almost 20 years enshrined in state government. That sure ought to excite the electorate. (/sarcasm)

[Canticle_of_Deborah]

Uh, no. People who live here know how much voter fraud exists. You do not so you wouldn't know. Read on and enlighten yourself.

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For Immediate Release Contact: Ruth Gardner 661-859-2600

June 12, 2003

905 Fraudulent Votes Found in 30th Assembly District by Dean Gardner Volunteers. Investigation Centered on Kern County Portion of 30th Assembly Dist.

Today, Dean Gardner, made the following statement at a news conference in Bakersfield, Ca.

“For the last 30 years, I have heard about voter fraud in California, but it did not affect me directly and like you, I didn’t pay much attention. I didn’t realize how much voter fraud impacts all of us until recently.

In the seven months since the election, we have looked in detail at 2,460 of the 14,000 recently registered Democrat voters in Kern County that are registered to vote in the 30th Assembly District. I was shocked and dismayed by what we found.

I cannot give you any names or addresses because of the ongoing investigations.

In order to cast a legal vote in California, the voter must be at least 18 years old, must be alive, must be a Citizen of the United States, must not be a felon on parole, must be registered to vote and live in that district and that voter can vote only one time in that election.

Of the 2,460 voters that were examined 905 of these people in this sample cast fraudulent ballots.

For example, we found:

69 people actually admitted voting at least twice. These are just the ones who admitted it.

93 people admitted that they voted but are not citizens of the United States. They were told that if they registered and voted, it would help them get their citizenship.

272 people actually admitted that they do not live in the 30th Assembly District but that they voted in the 30th Assembly District

We found people that changed the spelling of their name slightly so that they could register and vote a second time. Someone named William also registered as Bill. We found people with the same name registered at the same address whose birthdays were exactly one year or one day apart. By changing their birth date, one person became two people with two votes.

The biggest problem that we found was the number of people who showed up at the polls and voted using someone else’s name. We have testimony from people who report that they went to vote and found that their name had already been used. People impersonated the legitimate voter. How did they do that? A lot of people are registered but don’t vote. Hanging on the wall in every polling place in the State of California is a list of the people that are eligible to vote at that polling place. By state law, every two hours, an election worker up dates the list with the names of the people who have voted. The cheaters send in someone with a cell phone to call back to the headquarters with the names of the people who have not voted. People claiming to be those people miraculously show up and vote.

We found 905 fraudulent ballots out of 2,460 voters. You do the math. Divide 905 by 2,460 you will get 37%. We estimate that 37% of the newly registered Democrat voters who voted in the Kern County portion of the 30th Assembly District cast fraudulent votes.

What we found in Kern County was seen all over California. Some places worse than others. There is a well oiled and well funded fraud machine run by liberal special interest groups that may be electing people to the legislature who should not be there and they are destroying our freedoms in California.

Let me give you some examples of the fraud. We have people who registered in October at a house that burned down two years ago. We have people registered to addresses that don’t exist. We have people who voted last November at the polls who actually moved to the Philippines two years ago.

I personally spoke to one man who admitted voting four times. I asked him why and he said that he cared more than most. I went with a volunteer to one house at random where seven votes originated and asked the woman how many people lived there. She said three. When asked about the other four voters, she said that her two daughters and their husbands always use her address to vote. They do not live in the 30th Assembly District. They just vote here.

The information that we have discovered was turned over to the Kern County District Attorney’s Office and to the Secretary of State’s fraud unit six months ago.

We have just handed the same information to the US Attorney’s Office.

Voter fraud is an attack on our basic freedoms and I cannot and will not sit back and watch it continue.

Last November, California voters turned down ‘same day voter registration’. Well, the liberal special interest groups in Sacramento did not get the message, because the Assembly just passed a bill allowing for same day registration in Alameda County. They call it a pilot program. We can not rely on the special interest liberals in Sacramento to stop the voter fraud. As you know, under current law identification is not required either to register or to vote, in fact, if you, as a poll worker or election official, ask a person to prove their identity, you have broken the law.

Therefore, I am announcing that immediately after the Gray Davis Recall is completed, I will sponsor a statewide initiative that will help clean up the voter fraud problem. It will require proof of eligibility and proof of identity when a person registers to vote and proof of identity when a person does vote.

If you buy something and write a check or use a credit card, you must have identification. If you want to get on an airplane in you must show photo id. It seems logical to me to require people to produce identification when they vote. It seems ridiculous to me that we allow people to walk into the polls, point at a name and say, “That’s me” and vote without any verification as to their identity.

One man told me “If we didn’t cheat, we couldn’t win”.

We have a group of people with no integrity attacking our basic freedoms. As you know, I served in the military and I swore to protect the Constitution of the United States. This is one way I can help do that. It is time to put California back in the hands of the people.”

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[sinkspur]

Sorry, Deb. "Vote fraud" is like complaining that the referees cost you the football game.

If it was that close, you should have played harder.

[DiamondDon1]

Voiding contracts" is a canard. There will have to be litigation, and until the litigation is resolved, the contracts will remain in force.

Point well taken, yes there will be litigation and those who had the Conflict Of Interest will have a definite problem. This also supposes that the energy companies involved did not know there was a conflict...

If they did know of the C-O-I, they would be wise to just wish it all away...

If they did not know, they would receive damages from our cash strapped state, but the contracts would end...thereby stopping the bleeding...

Still a real good idea that Davis would not ever do...

DD

[Canticle_of_Deborah]

It's not about "that close" it's about "that much fraud". Care to say the same about Bush in Florida 2000?

[Torie]

If they did not know, they would receive damages from our cash strapped state, but the contracts would end...thereby stopping the bleeding

You want California to breach the contracts, and pay out now the present value of the future stream of profits to the energy companies? Cool. That should send California's bonds deep into junk bond status.

The energy companies knowing that the negotiator had a conflict of interest is not a ground to set aside a contract, unless they had something to do with his being chosen for the job. The only caveat is if there is some special California law for government contracts. They might be, but if so, I am not aware of anyone, including McClintock, mentioning it. One would think that he would have, if such existed on the books, to buttress his case.

I hope that helps.

[ambrose]

Ummm... there was no election for controller in 1994.