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Anti-bias group hits Mel's 'Passion'
NY Daily News ^ | August 12, 2003 | LEO STANDORA

Posted on 08/12/2003 6:55:36 AM PDT by presidio9

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To: RoughDobermann
what other works of 'history' are there detailing the life and death of Jesus of Nazareth? Josephus?

Josephus Flavius was a hellenizing (assimilated) Jew, a member of the Sadduccee sect, and wrote his histories primarily to please his Greek and Roman patrons and fellow Jewish hellenizers (known today as "liberals"). He would not have considered Jesus of Nazareth, a common carpenter, important enough to mention. He also made up lies about himself in order to increase his own importance.

It is generally believed by historians who have studied the original works of Josephus that the excerpts concerning Jesus were inserted much later by Christian transcribers who were disappointed that Josephus considered Jesus not significant enough to include in his histories.

21 posted on 08/12/2003 7:33:03 AM PDT by Alouette (Every democratic politician should live next door to a pimp, so he can have someone to look up to.)
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To: RoughDobermann
Funny, I thought it was one of his disciples. What was his name?

That would be the disciple Elmer. He's mentioned in The Gospel of Bubba....

22 posted on 08/12/2003 7:33:46 AM PDT by freebilly
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To: Alouette
Thanks. So, the only work that could even remotely be considered a 'history' of Jesus are the Gospels?
23 posted on 08/12/2003 7:35:35 AM PDT by RoughDobermann (There is no spoon)
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To: presidio9
I haven't counted but I'd guess there are no less than 50 threads on FR talking about how "The Passion" is potentially anti-semetic.

Every one of these stories quotes the same group: the ADL.

Is the ADL the only entity that has a problem with this movie? They sure are getting a lot of press over it.

24 posted on 08/12/2003 7:39:07 AM PDT by Drew68
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To: RoughDobermann
The Gospels are the only accounts of Christ's death. Outside of Josephus' "suspect" mention of Christ, no other historian of the period mentions Jesus.
25 posted on 08/12/2003 7:44:33 AM PDT by freebilly
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To: freebilly
The Gospels are the only accounts of Christ's death. Outside of Josephus' "suspect" mention of Christ, no other historian of the period mentions Jesus.

Thanks, that's what I thought. So, when the ADL complains that this film is historically inaccurate, they're refering to the Gospels? What exactly is portrayed in the film that is in contradiction with the Gospels?

26 posted on 08/12/2003 7:47:38 AM PDT by RoughDobermann (There is no spoon)
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To: RoughDobermann
There has been no specific part of the movie cited as being inaccurate.
27 posted on 08/12/2003 7:55:37 AM PDT by freebilly
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To: presidio9
This isn't the only attempt Foxman made to revise reality. Here's a letter that indicates some of his other endeavors.

January 15, 1998

AN OPEN LETTER TO ABRAHAM FOXMAN

National Director, Anti-Defamation League 823 United Nations Plaza New York, NY 10017

There is an old Yiddish axiom: "OUR OWN JEWS WILL DESTROY US."

You, Abraham Foxman, are that Jew. In the decade that you have directed a once prestigious and respected organization, you have defiled it.

In the newly issued Anti-Defamation League Resources for Classroom and Community, you, Foxman, are promoting "It's Elementary: Talking About Gay Issues in School". This is the title of a 78-minute film being shown to elementary school teachers nationwide. In my 40 years of frontline experience in the schools, I have never seen so scandalous a plan for indoctrinating children. Efforts of Communist teachers to impose their views on students, elementary through university, were infantile compared with this sophisticated program for gaining ACCEPTANCE (NOT TOLERATION) of homosexuality by first to eighth-graders in our nation's schools.

Your endorsement of this pro-homosexual film, prepared by professed lesbians, is consistent with your amicus briefs in opposition to state governments that have sought to prevent special protection for homosexuals. You, Abraham Foxman, have sunk so low as to go on record opposing the right of the Boy Scouts of America to exclude a homosexual as an adult scout leader.

You, Abraham Foxman, have opposed the right of sponsors of Boston's St. Patrick's Day Parade to exclude Irish-American "gay and lesbian" groups from marching under their own banner.

You are combating a provision of the Telecommunications Reform Act that you allege is "a significant threat to the continued flow of information about abortion on the electronic superhighway, and could seriously interfere with a woman's right to receive abortion material on-line."

I am urging all who decry ADL's departure from Jewish causes to WITHHOLD CONTRIBUTIONS TO ADL UNTIL SUCH TIME AS ADL CEASES TO ADVOCATE PRO-HOMOSEXUAL (GAY) AND PRO-ABORTION POSITIONS.

ADL UNDER ABRAHAM FOXMAN'S MISLEADERSHIP UNDERMINES TRADITIONAL FAMILY VALUES!

Howard L. Hurwitz, Ph.D. Chairman, Family Defense Council

28 posted on 08/12/2003 7:56:54 AM PDT by spunkets
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To: presidio9
What a title: "Anti-Bias group," like the ADL is an anti-bias group. Right, and if you believe that one, you'll believe that the Nazis were just a bunch of fun-loving guys who got a little carried away in their defense of the fatherland. Sure, and the "Human Rights Campaign" is concerned with any human rights other than sodomy.

The ADL is a cancer, and we can only pray that by overreaching in their attacks against the Gospels, they will be exposed as the destroyers of American civilization that they are. It's clear that they are not attacking Mel Gibson or his movie, they are attacking the Gospels. Perhaps this will be a test of just how far the American people have fallen -- will they stand for this or will they not?
29 posted on 08/12/2003 7:58:35 AM PDT by Maximilian
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To: Maximilian
It's clear that they are not attacking Mel Gibson or his movie, they are attacking the Gospels. Perhaps this will be a test of just how far the American people have fallen -- will they stand for this or will they not?

Most "Christians" in America are nominal or cultural Christians. If you did a study to discover how many "Christians" actually read their Bibles, I'm certain the answer would be less than 10% (probably 5% if we're talking about the current lot of US Episcopalians).

The point is, the Gospels and true Christians have been under attack for a long time.

30 posted on 08/12/2003 8:09:11 AM PDT by freebilly
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To: Zavien Doombringer
Yep, the decision was passed by Pilate back to the mob, who could have had Jesus or Barrabas (sp?) released. Pontius Pilate washed his hands of the matter. The mob decided to release Barrabas and crucify Jesus..

The part I suppose the ADL really is having trouble with is that the death and resurrection of Jesus were the events which allow the forgiveness of all sinners. THE sacrifice of God's only begotten son, who rose on the third day and ascended into heaven.

However, to admit to those events, and the paradigm of forgiveness which they set for all Christians might be a trifle theologically uncomfortable for the ADL.

I doubt that those of us who embrace the teachings of Jesus Christ will go off on some holocastic bent, it is not part of the religion.

31 posted on 08/12/2003 8:11:47 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe
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To: RoughDobermann
It isn;t abot right or wrong, bias or not. Its is simply a cynical ploy to get contributions.
32 posted on 08/12/2003 8:13:12 AM PDT by StolarStorm
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To: StolarStorm
I butchered that last post. Yikes. MUST HAVE COFFEE.
33 posted on 08/12/2003 8:13:48 AM PDT by StolarStorm
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To: presidio9
The Anti-Christian Dirtbag Liars (ADL) are fueling hatred and bigotry by unabiguously portraying Christians as violent mob and by slandering the Gospels. The ADL is no better than the KKK or the NAZI party and anyone who supports them should be ostracized from the public square.
34 posted on 08/12/2003 8:31:48 AM PDT by Longshanks (How many truths... one or many?)
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To: Longshanks
I wonder how the ADL would respond to a group of Germans protesting the next Holocaust film as anti-Germanic.
35 posted on 08/12/2003 9:07:52 AM PDT by aimhigh
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To: StolarStorm
I find that intravenous coffe directly to the fingers helps better than any other method.

Gum

36 posted on 08/12/2003 10:17:18 AM PDT by ChewedGum ( http://king-of-fools.blogspot.com)
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To: aimhigh
The ADL pursues Mel Gibson whilst praising Arafat. It’s a crazy world.

ADL: Arafat's Call to Palestinians to End Violence Against Israel "Must Be Implemented with Sustained Action"

37 posted on 08/12/2003 2:07:05 PM PDT by Flashman_at_the_charge
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