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California Recall: Drawing determines alphabetical order for Oct. 7 ballot
AP via San Diego Union Tribune ^ | August 11, 2003 | Jim Wasserman

Posted on 08/11/2003 3:00:43 PM PDT by heleny

Drawing determines alphabetical order for Oct. 7 ballot
By Jim Wasserman
ASSOCIATED PRESS
1:59 p.m., August 11, 2003

The first letter chosen was R, followed by W, Q and O.

The six-minute grab bag of letters seemed more like a lottery drawing than a routine process, which is done every election to help erase the estimated 5 percent advantage a candidate gets from being at the top of the ballot, Secretary of State Kevin Shelley said.

The letters H, B and S, were drawn as eighth, ninth and tenth, [my correction: 9th, 10th, 11th] meaning that some high-profile candidates, commentator Arianna Huffington, Lt. Gov. Cruz Bustamante and actor Arnold Schwarzenegger will be relatively near each other on most ballots.

But as the Shelley's office continues to certify finalists for the ballot, the precise order won't be known until late Wednesday when Shelley certifies how many of the 195 candidates who submitted papers will make the official ballot.

Shelley said Monday the office has qualified 96 candidates and is reviewing the paperwork submitted by 99 more.

The lottery-style alphabetical system will rotate names on 80 different ballots in each of the state's Assembly districts. Under the system, candidates who start near the top in ballots used in northern California will shift to the bottom in southern California and work their way toward the middle, possibly for ballots in the 24 voter-rich Assembly districts of Los Angeles.

The huge list of candidates includes a variety of prominent candidates and celebrities, as well as dozens of ordinary Californians from a school teacher to a bail bondsman who paid $3,500 and collected 65 signatures to get on the ballot.

County elections officials fear more difficulties processing such a large ballot, including doing more work by hand, but Shelley urged precision over speed when the polls close on Oct. 7.

"I urge them to do it accurately," he said.

A greatly expanded ballot also means higher costs for the special election, now estimated at up to $66 million. Contra Costa County elections officials said the long candidate list could raise ballot costs by $750,000 over the county's earlier estimate of $1.6 million.

Shelley promised Monday he will ask for help.

"To assist the counties, I intend to urge the Legislature to underwrite the added costs of this election," he said, adding that he would ask on the "high end for reimbursement." The California State Association of Counties, noting the state has typically paid for special elections, also intends to seek legislative relief.

Shelley said the state's costs ballooned from $7 million to $11 million because a short time frame will require first class stamps to mail 11 million sample ballots.

"We don't know what the final costs will be," he said.


TOPICS: US: California
KEYWORDS: california; recall; recalldavis
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To: So Cal Rocket
Ward Connerly's initiative forbidding the state to collect racial information & a Dem-sponsored initiative changing the requirement to pass a budget from 2/3 to 55%.

No, that 55% initiative is still in the signature-collecting stage. It could not possibly appear on this ballot, though it could appear on the March primary if they get it certified at least 131 days before March 2, 2004. Connerly's Racial Privacy Initiative (RPI, aka CRENO) is #54.It's getting some coverage in the news and on FR, but the other proposition is not getting much coverage.

Propsition #53 is a legislative referendum to dedicate an increasing percentage of the budget to "infrastructure," which includes transportation, roads, water, parks, schools, etc., up to 3%, and allows the legislature to decide how to spend the money.

The idea is that we pass water bonds, school bonds, and transportation bonds almost ever election, so why not just dedicate a permanent budget for those projects instead of asking voters each time. Of course, the 3% doesn't preclude additional bonds.

21 posted on 08/11/2003 3:24:16 PM PDT by heleny
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To: heleny
I smell another Floriduh on the horizon.
22 posted on 08/11/2003 3:29:33 PM PDT by duckman
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195 candidates who submitted papers

195 x $3,500 fee = $682,500

The state deficit starts shrinking.

Now the commercials and other campaign-related spending can infuse more money to the local economy.

Maybe Californians are not as wacky as they look.

23 posted on 08/11/2003 3:29:36 PM PDT by george wythe
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To: finnman69; Lazamataz
But good ole Larry Flynt is right on top of you.

Don't get too comfortable.

24 posted on 08/11/2003 3:31:37 PM PDT by Chancellor Palpatine ("What if the hokey pokey is really what its all about?" - Jean Paul Sartre)
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To: george wythe
This election has the flavor of a lottery,
25 posted on 08/11/2003 3:34:43 PM PDT by Fitzcarraldo
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To: Rabid Republican
So now everyone has to spend time searching for the name.

Yes. So, reading the sample ballot this time will be more helpful than ever.

I still wonder how they're going to manage nearly 200 candidates. The Ventura County ballots only had about 50 holes per two-sided punch card.

If they had a page that assigned a number (000-999) for each candidate, and we simply voted for a number, we would only need 30 holes for question #2. If we limited the numbers to consecutive numbers 001-195, we would only need 23 holes. But, I'm sure there's a law against conducting elections that way.

26 posted on 08/11/2003 3:36:29 PM PDT by heleny
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To: heleny
Jim Robinson is mad as hell he didn't run now.
27 posted on 08/11/2003 3:41:13 PM PDT by novacation
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To: Political Junkie Too
Mcclintoak is right behind OJ
28 posted on 08/11/2003 3:43:02 PM PDT by novacation
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To: duckman
smell another Floriduh on the horizon.

Moving from recall to re-count.

Prairie

29 posted on 08/11/2003 3:45:19 PM PDT by prairiebreeze (Middle East terrorists to the world: " We don't want no STINKING PEACE!!")
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To: Rabid Republican
most people are going to want to vote for their favorite candidate. So now everyone has to spend time searching for the name.

Maybe it would be helpful if polling places maintained a separate alphabetical list where voters could find their favorite candidate and a ranking, 1-195, that indicated about how far down the ballot the voter could find the candidate name.

30 posted on 08/11/2003 3:48:37 PM PDT by heleny
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To: heleny
Now that's a good idea!
31 posted on 08/11/2003 3:49:24 PM PDT by Rabid Dog
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To: Lazamataz
It's only a 5% advantage, but being first [R] on the ballot should help.
32 posted on 08/11/2003 3:52:41 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the Law of the Excluded Middle)
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To: RightWhale
R's will appear first on only about 4-5% of the ballots.
33 posted on 08/11/2003 3:54:07 PM PDT by heleny
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To: heleny
How incredibly stupid. What a great way to guarantee confusion, voter complaints, slowing the process, and long lines at closing time. The same randomization could have been accomplished while avoiding the downside by simply doing a random drawing to determine which letter would be at the top, do such random drawing for each district, and then alphabetize the list behind that chosen letter. Thus whatever letter is at the top is different for each district, and determined by random luck, yet voters can easily find their candidate by then tracing down through the alphabet on their ballot.

For example, if the district #15 drawing made 'L' the first letter, then the order would be L, M, N, O, P....K. If district #37's drawing had 'F' as the first letter, then the order would be F, G, H, I....E.

Anybody believe the Dems are going to take advantage of this by trotting out Florida-style 98 year old nitwits whining about how they collapsed before they found their candidate in a completely random order 195 list? The average time in the booth is probably going to triple, in a likely high turnout election. Watch for some of the Dem-staffed poll locations to have so many poll workers call in sick that they are unable to open, it will certainly take place in a minority neighborhood, and the lawsuits will commence. And with the huge lines at closing time, watch for certain Dem poll locations to somehow just coincidently be unable to prevent persons arriving long after the poll closing times from sneaking into line because "the lines are so long it was impossible". If anybody but Bustamante wins, they'll need to get at least 2% more votes than him.

But this overdone randomization nonsense can't be blamed as a current Dem trick.
34 posted on 08/11/2003 4:04:24 PM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: heleny
Dang -- Gary Coleman's gonna be pretty far down on the list ;)
35 posted on 08/11/2003 4:14:14 PM PDT by CarmelValleyite
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To: Diddle E. Squat
How incredibly stupid. What a great way to guarantee confusion, voter complaints, slowing the process, and long lines at closing time. The same randomization could have been accomplished while avoiding the downside by simply doing a random drawing to determine which letter would be at the top, do such random drawing for each district, and then alphabetize the list behind that chosen letter.

Since this election is so short -- just 4 statewide questions -- the extra time people take to read through all 195 names (or, on average, only half of them to find their favorite candidate), shouldn't be as bad as deciding whom to choose for thirty offices and whether to retain twenty judges.

Also, if the polling places offer a separate card with the names in alphabetical order and their corresponding rankings, that could help people vote faster.

Your suggestion is less random than the current system, which is not completely random, either, but the time to change the process would have been long before the election.

36 posted on 08/11/2003 4:18:26 PM PDT by heleny
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To: CarmelValleyite
Gary Coleman's gonna be pretty far down on the list ;)

The letters rotate through the 80 Assembly districts, so he'll have his chance near the top, too. But, any candidates named Ci*, Ce*, Cu*, Cy*, Cl*, Cr*, etc. will appear before Coleman when C is the first letter.

37 posted on 08/11/2003 4:21:55 PM PDT by heleny
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To: heleny
The last two letter are, guess what? FL

Is this a hint of something to come?
38 posted on 08/11/2003 4:26:14 PM PDT by BushCountry (To the last, I will grapple with Democrats. For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at Liberals.)
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To: heleny
I think I was wrong about the way the candidates rotate; it's the candidates, not the letters, that rotate. The candidates are first ordered according to today's drawing to determine the order for Assembly District #1. In AD#2, the first candidate goes to the bottom of the list, and the rest of the list of candidates rotate up by one. With only 80 districts and up to 195 names, most candidates will not have chance at being anywhere near the top.

http://www.ss.ca.gov/elections/elections_ra.htm

... the Secretary of State conducts a random drawing of letters of the alphabet. The resulting order of letters constitutes the alphabet to be used for determining the order of candidates' names on the upcoming statewide ballot; it applies throughout the name, not just for the first letter so that Adams could precede Aaron.

Names of candidates for offices voted on statewide rotate by Assembly district, starting with Assembly District 1 where the names appear as first determined by the random alphabet. In Assembly District 2, the candidate who appeared first in Assembly District 1 drops to the bottom and the other candidates move up one position and so on throughout the 80 districts. This gives each candidate more than one opportunity to appear at the "top of the ticket" in his/her race. [not in the Oct 7, 2003 special election]

Congressional candidates rotate within their districts with the lowest numbered Assembly district leading the rotation. State Senate and Assembly candidates follow the random alphabet but do not rotate; however, if a legislative district crosses county lines, the elections officials of each county shall conduct a random drawing to determine candidate order for these offices in their county.

This procedure was established by legislation passed in 1975 in response to court rulings declaring that standard alphabetical order or incumbent-first was unconstitutional since there is a 5% positional bias among undecided voters.

39 posted on 08/11/2003 4:57:55 PM PDT by heleny
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To: heleny
13111. Candidates for each office shall be printed on the ballot in accordance with the following rules:
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(c) In the case of all other offices, the candidates for which are to be voted on throughout the state, the Secretary of State shall arrange the names of the candidates for the office in accordance with the randomized alphabet as provided for in Section 13112 for the First Assembly District. Thereafter, for each succeeding Assembly district, the name appearing first in the last preceding Assembly district shall be placed last, the order of the other names remaining unchanged.
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13112. The Secretary of State shall conduct a drawing of the letters of the alphabet, the result of which shall be known as a randomized alphabet. The procedure shall be as follows:
(a) Each letter of the alphabet shall be written on a separate slip of paper.... The resulting random order of letters constitutes the randomized alphabet, which is to be used in the same manner as the conventional alphabet in determining the order of all candidates in all elections. For example, if two candidates with the surnames Campbell and Carlson are running for the same office, their order on the ballot will depend on the order in which the letters M and R were drawn in the randomized alphabet drawing.

40 posted on 08/11/2003 5:08:01 PM PDT by heleny
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