[T Minus Four]

ping!

[SunStar]

DASCHLE IN February 1998 (under a Democrat President):

"If not, it's back to business. It is the use of force. It is a swift response militarily and by whatever other means may be necessary." "...if nothing changes, the use of force at some point would be inevitable."

DASCHLE IN September 2002 (under a Republican President):

"What has changed over the course of the last 10 years that brings this country to the belief that it has to act in a pre-emptive fashion?"

[SunStar]

No one seems to remember what Bill Clinton said in 1998, before he failed to follow through with his obligations of enforcing the Gulf War cease-fire:

"[Saddam Hussein's] regime threatens the safety of his people, the stability of his region, and the security of all the rest of us," Bill Clinton said in February 1998. "Some day, some way, I guarantee you, he'll use the arsenal. Let there be no doubt, we are prepared to act."

"I know the people we may call upon in uniform are ready. The American people have to be ready as well."

[StarCMC]

I am so disgusted -- I looked at their website and this totally dishonors my brother who is in Iraq and all the soldiers who are serving with them. The whiny mom who complained that her son was there and had lost 40 lbs. but didn't complain -- it's HIS LIFE!!! Thank God for me like him who serve!! As for him having no battlefield experience, well where does she think he'd get that besides in a war! ARGH!! ** Off soapbox **

[HiJinx]

Tonk and Johnny, our FRiend needs a mega-ping!

Mom, this question has been debated in previous threads, around the time the 'bring them home' sentiment first showed up in the national media...the most succinct comments made centered around 2 points:

1) Osama Bin Laden was involved with Farrah-Aidid in Somalia, and was emboldened in his actions against the U.S. when he saw how we walked away from there after the 'Black Hawk Down' incident. When you let a bully intimidate you, you lose.

2) Many of the mass graves we've been finding in Iraq contain the remains of Iraqis who, having heeded our call to rebel in 1990/91, rose up against Saddam Hussein. We left them without support with tragic results.

I'm sure once this plea gets pinged, you'll receive a whole lot more input. I just hope the CNN people treat you with respect as you make your points...

HJ

[pierrem15]

These people are a commie front group.

The guy behind it Stan Goff, "a member of the Speakers & Organizers Bureau of the Southern Peace Research and Education Center, the Institute for Southern Studies:" website here He is supposedly a former masters sargeant.

You can see who his friends are at the link above or this s one here

In a word, the usual commie traitors who are upsetting the families of our soldiers for the same treasonous reasons they have always had.

Their whole reason for existence is to cynically manipulate the worried families of armed forces members to further their own extreme left agenda.

[pierrem15]

Their site links "Veterans for Peace." They should be sued for false advertising.

Sorry about the formatting errors on the last post, I'm so angry I can hardly type.

[verity]

I have agreed to debate a spokesman for the group

Looks like you jumped before you looked.

[LibertyJihad]

Here are some good links.

http://www.nationalreview.com/hanson/hanson080103.asp
http://www.nationalreview.com/hanson/hanson072503.asp
http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/comment-phelps080103.asp

[elbucko]

Nasty bunch, aren't they.

Don't be nervous, you'll do fine if you remember that if we leave with our job unfinished, those who died, will have died in vain. To leave now, because of fear would be immoral. We have invaded Iraq for good reason and now our job is to leave it better than we found it. It's what Americans do.

This is not a "Vietnam", because it is not a political war. It is, however, a war of defense. To paraphrase John Dunn; America is not an island. Any injustice anywhere in the world, diminishes the US and threatens it as well. Your opponents should not ask why we are there, but why we and the British are the only ones that are.

Good Luck,
Buck

[ChemistCat]

Don't get defensive or angry at any time, nor respond to any personal attack if one is made. Use humor to respond to the most egregious part of each rant and pretty much ignore the rest while you make a related point. Don't be afraid to take a moment to think. There's no way to win against the sophistry of the other guy's position--if he doesn't make a cogent point, you need not respond to it.

The absolutely best way to debate is to find voices on their side, such as Clinton's or Daschle's from years back, as cited above, saying what your side says now. They can't argue with that.

A rational case CAN STILL be made against our intervention in Iraq but by and large the peaceniks don't make it. You probably won't hear two truths in a row from your opponent. So relax, you really can't lose the debate if you are in control.

[68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub]

"I need help fast. I have agreed to debate a spokesman for the group Bring them Home Now for CNN tomorrow."

URGENT PING for armymarinemom,
mother of 2 sons serving our country.

Please post your replies to armymarinemom

[TheSpottedOwl]

I don't know if this will help, but if you can pull up pics of Saddam's victims, mass graves being unearthed, jubilant Iraquis, and testimony of Saddam's victims, you could do a slide show, or do an "overhead projector" style presentation.

The message could be something on the lines of, "God has blessed our country. We have the capability to help people. When devastation hits a country, we're there to help, whether it is an earthquake, floods, or other disasters. Besides the terrorist threat, lies millions of oppressed, frightened, empoverished human beings. God has given us the tools to fight oppression, we are duty bound to use them.

I don't know. Maybe you can find some kind of idea. Good luck!!!! Please let us know how it went :)

[Miss Marple]

What is the name of the spokesman you will be debating? I am willing to search the net for information on this person so that you are well-armed. Please give me his name if you have it!

[Brad’s Gramma]

BTTT

You have mail.

[Radix]

From the linked site:

The truth is coming out. The American public was deceived by the Bush administration about the motivation for and intent of the invasion of Iraq...

The lies are coming out. One of the things that annoys me the most, is that they will never acknowledge the truth. The libs/dems are so very lost, and the mainstream media liberal press is nothing more than a getaway driver for the subversives who would undermine our Nation, culture, and way of life.

[Brad’s Gramma]

Email us your letters and photographs. Or, contact us through regular mail at:
Bring Them Home Now
P.O. Box 91233
Raleigh, NC 27675


Well now......from the above link. I'd say we all need to start looking up some of the GREAT pics posted by Dio and start SENDING THEM. They do, after all, request our input.

[Old Sarge]

Mom, I got this PING'ed to me. It ought to give you some firepower.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/962129/posts?page=13#13

Good Hunting!

[RandallFlagg]

Get over to this thread and read up! Great stuff in here!

And, T H E A R S E N A L

[RandallFlagg]

One other thing:

Remember three things when you go into this debate...

1. They're opposed to Iraqi liberation and support Saddam simply because they have a seething, burning hatred for President Bush ever since Gore lost Florida 2000.

2. They're willing to kill American soldiers by disenheartening them on the battlefield, simply to make Bush look bad.

3. Request another interview in October --When all is really revealed about Iraq's WMDs. Demand it.