[MineralMan]

"However gays can and do reproduce
Not without help. You can't get both a sperm and an egg from either gender."

Wow. How do you feel about in vitro fertilization and artificial insemination for heterosexual couples? Many folks can't reproduce without help. It's a big industry in this country.

[StarCMC]

You can't argue with nature Mineral Man. If gay couple #1 could reproduce without using artificial insemination, etc, and gay couple #2 was having trouble conceiving, then I'd say your argument holds water. Hetero #1 couple CAN and DOES conceive without any artificial means. Then Hetero #2 using artificial means to acheive the same result makes sense.