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United States appeals ruling that its steel tariffs are illegal
Associated Press ^ | 08-11-03

Posted on 08/11/2003 7:49:59 AM PDT by Brian S

Edited on 04/13/2004 2:43:14 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

The United States has lodged an appeal with the World Trade Organization over a ruling that its tariffs on steel imports violate global trade laws.

The appeal was filed Monday afternoon, just hours before a meeting scheduled to adopt the report formally, a WTO official said. The meeting was adjourned to await the outcome of the appeal.


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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: freetrade; steel; tariffs; wto

1 posted on 08/11/2003 7:50:00 AM PDT by Brian S
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To: Brian S
The WSJ claims limits and quotas on imported steel have cost more jobs than were saved in the US steel industry by those quotas...
Then, add in the fact that the Steel workers Union endorsed Little Dick Gephardt...
2 posted on 08/11/2003 7:56:01 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
Then, add in the fact that the Steel workers Union endorsed Little Dick Gephardt...

It is hard to figure out why Dubya raised our steel taxes.  The theory that he was trying to 'usurp the issue' from the dems seems bogus in view of how, like you point out, it never does any good. 

The one theory I like is the idea that Dubya knows he'll eventually have to rescind the new steel taxes but he did it anyway as a negotiating ply.  In other words,  to keep the WTO busy with something unimportant so they have less time and energy to fight us on other subjects where we might not want to be flexible.

3 posted on 08/11/2003 8:11:00 AM PDT by expat_panama
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To: expat_panama; Willie Green
"It is hard to figure out why Dubya raised our steel taxes."

Let's ask Willie:

Why did GWB raise steel taxes???

Most of your posts oppose free trade and embrace protectionism which is best implemented via tarriffs.

Please explain GWB's steel tax increase and its benefits for America and conservatism.

4 posted on 08/11/2003 8:19:47 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie ("Leave Pat, Leave!")
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To: Brian S
"President Bush has justified the duties as necessary protection for domestic steel producers against a flood of cheap imports during a period of restructuring."

Okay, now apply this logic across the board.
5 posted on 08/11/2003 8:24:01 AM PDT by LibertyAndJusticeForAll
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To: Brad Cloven
Here's an explanation:

Steelworkers are thought to have helped Dubya in a few key states (notably West Virginia). While Steel tariffs are in effect taxes on consumers of steel products, blatant protectionism, against agreements we freely signed as a nation, harmful to our efforts to open up the EU to our goods, and in general bad for the economy, this blatant political payoff will help insure Dubya's re-election and thereby help the economy and conservatism by keeping the 'Rats out of the White House and out of selecting SCOTUS appointments.

Politics is a dirty, dirty business, isn't it?
6 posted on 08/11/2003 8:26:03 AM PDT by You Dirty Rats (Why are Bikers all Republicans? Ronbo Protected Harley-Davidson!)
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To: You Dirty Rats
I don't think the EU is very malleable on importing American goods. They have trade barriers all over the place to protect their home industries (cf. French wine and cheeses...what is the import tax on wine&cheese, 30% or so?)
7 posted on 08/11/2003 8:46:15 AM PDT by =Intervention= (White devils for Sharpton Central Florida chapter)
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To: LibertyAndJusticeForAll
"Okay, now apply this logic across the board."

And cause a depression that will make the '30s look mild....

8 posted on 08/11/2003 8:46:19 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie ("Leave Pat, Leave!")
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To: Brad Cloven
Most of your posts oppose free trade and embrace protectionism which is best implemented via tarriffs.

He's in good company then, as the founders of the country were too.
9 posted on 08/11/2003 9:03:54 AM PDT by lelio
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To: Brad Cloven
If done appropriately, it will help the economy and it will protect our nation from continued loss of technology to Communist China.
Another freeper, harpseal has a list of good ideas along these lines:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/961608/posts?page=15#15
10 posted on 08/11/2003 9:06:21 AM PDT by LibertyAndJusticeForAll
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To: Brad Cloven
Please explain GWB's steel tax increase and its benefits for America and conservatism.

And why is it that raising import taxes to hamstring the free market and force me to give my money away to underachievers is called conservatism?

Good grief Brad, now you've gone and got my blood pressure up.

11 posted on 08/11/2003 9:11:44 AM PDT by expat_panama
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
Do we have to prove anything? If you want to sell steel here in the US, follow the rules, otherwise go to hell.
12 posted on 08/11/2003 9:13:36 AM PDT by samuel_adams_us
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To: samuel_adams_us
I'm as big a booster of American steel (it was the source of my bread and butter for 16 years) as you are likely to find. However, we need to consider the burden these tariffs place on the users of steel, appliance makers, for example.
13 posted on 08/11/2003 9:17:46 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Brad Cloven
Why did GWB raise steel taxes???
Most of your posts oppose free trade and embrace protectionism which is best implemented via tarriffs.
Please explain GWB's steel tax increase and its benefits for America and conservatism.

Because he's a pander-monkey catering to special interests.
GWB's inept bungling of "targetted tariffs" for steel was riddled with hundreds of loopholes and exemptions.

Our nation and our steel industry would be much better off with a relatively low (10~15%), flat-rate "revenue tariff" applied to ALL imported goods. The proceeds from such a tariff would then be utilized to further reduce other forms of domestic taxation. Such a shift in tax policy would not only benefit the steel industry, but also ALL domestic industry, including the steel industry's customers.

14 posted on 08/11/2003 10:38:51 AM PDT by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: Willie Green
So if I understand you correctly, tarriffs are good if they are for everything, in a narrow range of 10-15%, and used to displace other taxation.

Therefore, it would be wise for every other county to do the same, harming our exporters. So your policy is essentially anti-exporter when others apply it to us, and anti-importer when we apply it. Both American consumers and producers are punished by their acts, therefore reducing international trade. Comparative advantage between countries is actively taxed, eliminating one of the greatest and most well proved advantages in economics.

And why is 10-15% magical? Just a gut feel? If tarriffs are somewhat good, why not 100-150%? If a little tarriffs are a little bit good, then a whole lot of tarriffs are REALLY good. Or does your position break down somewhat when extended to its logical conclusion?

(BTW - No argument on the pander-monkey comment. You are absolutely right.)

When you add tarriff taxation, what is the magical political formula by which anybody in Washington is going to agree to reduce some other tax? Is your independent buddy Patty going to crack heads among Republicans and Democrats? Or is this increased taxation likely to only lead to increased taxation? Or, is it a pipe dream?

Just curious.

15 posted on 08/11/2003 11:00:42 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie ("Leave Pat, Leave!")
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To: Brad Cloven
Therefore, it would be wise for every other county to do the same, harming our exporters. So your policy is essentially anti-exporter when others apply it to us, and anti-importer when we apply it. Both American consumers and producers are punished by their acts

You must have missed where I said: "The proceeds from such a tariff would then be utilized to further reduce other forms of domestic taxation." Such a reduction would benefit ALL Americans: our consumers, our exporters and our importers. Other nations have the sovereign right to pursue their own tax policies. If those policies favor their own businesses within their own borders, I have no problem with that. That is, afterall, what their citizens should expect from their own governments.

And why is 10-15% magical? Just a gut feel? If tarriffs are somewhat good, why not 100-150%?

It's an approximation to get us in the appropriate ballpark. I once estimated that 20% would be sufficient to eliminate the domestic corporate income tax: A Proposal to Abolish the Corporate Income Tax. At relatively low rates, tariffs provide revenue for the federal government. And revenues increase as the tariff rate is increased. However, there comes a point where trade is stifled if tariffs are increased to excessive levels, and federal revenues would decline. The objective would be to find an "optimal" tariff rate where federal revenue is maximized. That would provide the greatest opportunity for reduction of other taxes.

Comparative advantage between countries is actively taxed, eliminating one of the greatest and most well proved advantages in economics.

The "proven advantage" exists only for the transnational corporate third parties that act as middleman between nations. They profit handsomely from the transaction. At the same time, Ricardo's theory also proves that it is the workforces of the trading nations who suffer as one is pitted against the other. Their standard of living is driven down into parity with the global subsistance level.

16 posted on 08/11/2003 11:36:08 AM PDT by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: Willie Green
Willie, I am almost ashamed of myself. I agree with you on this issue. :-)

Maybe I am getting smarter? I'll keep an open mind.
17 posted on 08/11/2003 12:36:52 PM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all things that need to be done need to be done by the government.)
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To: Brian S
The panel said the United States failed to prove that its domestic steel industry had been harmed by a sudden flood of cheap imports -- a precondition for safeguard duties.

Demonstrably false. 22 big U.S. steel companies filed for bankruptcy in the year and 3 months preceding the tariff being imposed at the end of March in 2002. Only three this year. Overall steel prices have not gone up by 30% let alone more than that (which CATO-ites always assert). Average is 8%. What has happened is that DEFLATION was prevented as the carrot of dumped steel was yanked away. And now we are just seeing sour CATO grapes. GWB has finally started to act like Reagan.

18 posted on 08/11/2003 12:44:13 PM PDT by Paul Ross (A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master, and deserves one!-A. Hamilton)
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